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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/da55de0bde6247fa Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:55 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Nice point. =A0I don't see a solution except to shift after the introduct= ion, a not-unheard of pattern (e.g. English 'a' and 'the'). What kind of shift do you mean? (1) from "lo blabi ractu" to "le blabi ractu" (2) from "lo blabi ractu" to "la blabi ractu" (3) from "lo blabi ractu" to "la Blabi Ractu" (4) from "lo Blabi Ractu" to "la Blabi Ractu" (1) is what I have, and the closest to the ordinary English shift from 'a' to 'the', with no caps. (2) is not like an ordinary English shift, but it treats "blabi ractu" as a name at least from the second time it appears. (3) is like (2), plus typographic capitalization of names, "audio-visual isomorphism" neutral. (4) is the closest to the original, unusual style used by Lewis Carrol, but the least "audio-visually isomorphic", since the namehood suggested by the written "lo Blabi Ractu" is lost in spoken form. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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