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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:20:05 +0100 Message-Id: <953D1DF4-514B-4578-8B1F-2F54338BD0E5@gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <32A2435D-5119-409E-8CAD-E5F899C5AAF1@mac.com> <9E58473C-A8AC-464F-826D-E44470D7F15F@gmail.com> <79614.64421.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17561003301438s3c8849cam720e481a8c0ac885@mail.gmail.com> <419041.21152.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <09F5E427-6864-4339-9F27-6380D4EE0D93@gmail.com> <394028.54555.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.211 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e1e71e59ca10e4ef Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31 Mar 2010, at 14:31, Efrain Caro wrote: > Who exactly will you sell your book to? To Carrollian collectors, and, evidently, to at least some of the people wh= o have participated in this discussion, in particular those who hold opinio= ns like this: >>> I bet the "normal" look will do wonders for lojban popularity. Right n= ow, lojban looks like a specialized >>> language for some bizarre, obscure purpose such as defining ontologies = for Prolog or Lisp expert systems. And who besides purists could use it in= that form? But after your style is finalized, lojban should finally be re= cognizable as a real tongue, useful for ordinary human-to-human interaction= . Besides, beautiful typography never hurts book sales. > I surely won't buy it with the formating you want to use, That's really up to you. Plenty of people won't buy it, since it's not in E= nglish. > and I see a lot of opposition to your ideas. And yet there is support as well, as you yourself have seen.=20 At this point I am interested in the continuing discussion. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.