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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:25:17 +0100 Message-Id: <2E5ED6BC-24B5-4007-9335-0AFE76A95D93@gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003300803m6caec9f7y7a66b3bf9b71009b@mail.gmail.com> <32A2435D-5119-409E-8CAD-E5F899C5AAF1@mac.com> <9E58473C-A8AC-464F-826D-E44470D7F15F@gmail.com> <79614.64421.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <072F7F4E-1EB1-4BB5-B92D-7DDC4C43600B@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e575de33fe5ad018 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31 Mar 2010, at 15:05, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > I suspect John's ',' was a typo for '.'. Ah. > The occurence of the period is the one that is fully predictable, the occ= urrence of the comma is fully unpredictable, and has no phonemic significan= ce (indeed it is not even clear why the comma is part of the alphabet at al= l, since it doesn't represent any phoneme). Also, it is the period, not the= comma that serves "to remind people to take a breath (or break)", the comm= a serves to remind NOT to take a breath or break, even though there is a sy= llable boundary. >=20 > "la Meri An" doesn't work, because "meri" is the cmavo string "me ri", > not a cmevla. Ah, yes, wouldn't it have to be "la Meris An"? > I would suggest "la meri=E1n" or "la Meri=E1n", or if three syllables is = a > must, then "la merii=E1n" or "la Merii=E1n". It's trisyllabic certainly. I guess "la Meri,=C1n" or "la Merii=E1n" are it= . >>> But there are some places where a pause is not so obvious, mainly IIRC = at the ends of names. To be sure, if the name is capitalized, then this is= predictable as well, even if the name is a purely Lojban phrase. In shor= t, a dotless text would be quite adequate and much nicer looking. >=20 > The pause after cmevla is fully predictable, as they are the only words t= hat end in a consonant. Then the dot is pretty much redundant, if it's so predictable? > Names that do not use cmevla do not require a pause. >=20 > As I said, using "la" for: >=20 > ...when suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her... >=20 > is at the very least semantically odd. (Syntactically, it is fine.) Yes, you were rigth about that one, as I pointed out the French do the same= . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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