From 3OnCzSwsJBqkUdTNJKNaPNWPVJRU.LXVUXSKJWPXXPUNPaXdYb.LXV@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 08:55:21 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3OnCzSwsJBqkUdTNJKNaPNWPVJRU.LXVUXSKJWPXXPUNPaXdYb.LXV@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx0GD-0000lM-1k for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:55:21 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf70651pwi.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=b4ZjwtNBiOSJ2vUYVEsf8kE3c34b/i/GxximCK+OYJQ=; b=ENPrG8Dlm4bgA36xiq1O3adbobEvue7B5Zb1Krg10AqdIGxQyB8VnJKLqzSy/tsvEd ihdRmZ8yPpVLfqGSmGtsHbolAlld9ZFCX/TrrngQYcQADEeYnAZScPRd3O5g6DIdJncK 7wWLtQkJYstxDDp9wPR10dit8sF2+FJlhKUqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kAvdX3G+iaskDbB7nF71ZmQkGPHSS0MM76xm4HZGsmDxxsv8F5xTfrMltJ/Iv8vy0H 7Ts7sD0xWpWLYp9f81ay6dp2Da9ZWkzSCgjGgdsuI7cd7jF0H4N3ataY2JP85n8B3aXk LfECwaKA9OClxgDKccP9hibtM1zfMao3dhSlM= Received: by 10.114.70.14 with SMTP id s14mr367381waa.22.1270050874545; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.114.18.37 with SMTP id 37ls467859war.2.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.187.6 with SMTP id k6mr1417372waf.23.1270050871491; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.187.6 with SMTP id k6mr1417371waf.23.1270050871445; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si1468829pzk.3.2010.03.31.08.54.29; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so104005vws.6 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.206 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0B6E5532-ADE0-4839-BF75-7700B5F3C67B@gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <9E58473C-A8AC-464F-826D-E44470D7F15F@gmail.com> <79614.64421.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <072F7F4E-1EB1-4BB5-B92D-7DDC4C43600B@gmail.com> <2E5ED6BC-24B5-4007-9335-0AFE76A95D93@gmail.com> <9CD8D7BE-F4F4-4BF2-B1EE-502C09C1E4DF@gmail.com> <0B6E5532-ADE0-4839-BF75-7700B5F3C67B@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:54:27 -0400 Received: by 10.220.107.161 with SMTP id b33mr1415133vcp.233.1270050869072; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/cb0f36c9f847e4ea Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8de44ee6763704831ac218 --00c09f8de44ee6763704831ac218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Sure, but my point was valid. If you can "enjoy" typography which is maximally illegible, as well as standard typography which you're all used to, there is surely room for an attempt at maximal legibility. :-) I suppose that's a valid point. I just fear (perhaps wrongly) that you're not interested in legibility so much as being standard to "victorian typography" or whatever. I wonder if you would feel differently about the legibility of lojban if you knew it or had read it over a long period of time. I know other oldbies might disagree with me, but I find our typography as it is now sufficiently legible and maximally elegant. I just don't want to sacrifice elegance/long-standing-lojbanic-standards on the alter of "victorian standards" under the guise of legibility. I see this whole thing as another form of gross malglico. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 31 Mar 2010, at 16:39, Luke Bergen wrote: > > > Well, the reason that I find it cool is that it implies that in the > spoken language it will be much easier to hear the difference between words > even when a fast talker is sluring everything together. And my comment was > mostly an aside. :) > > Sure, but my point was valid. If you can "enjoy" typography which is > maximally illegible, as well as standard typography which you're all used > to, there is surely room for an attempt at maximal legibility. :-) > > Michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00c09f8de44ee6763704831ac218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=A0Sure, but my point was valid. If you can "enjoy" typ= ography which is maximally illegible, as well as standard typography which = you're all used to, there is surely room for an attempt at maximal legi= bility. :-)

I suppose that's a valid point. =A0I just fear (perhaps wrongl= y) that you're not interested in legibility so much as being standard t= o "victorian typography" or whatever. =A0I wonder if you would fe= el differently about the legibility of lojban if you knew it or had read it= over a long period of time. =A0I know other oldbies might disagree with me= , but I find our typography as it is now sufficiently legible and maximally= elegant.

I just don't want to sacrifice=A0elegance/long-stan= ding-lojbanic-standards on the alter of "victorian standards" und= er the guise of legibility. =A0I see this whole thing as another form of gr= oss malglico.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Micha= el Everson <michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 Mar 2010, at 16:39, Luke Bergen wrote:

> Well, the reason that I find it cool is that it implies that in the sp= oken language it will be much easier to hear the difference between words e= ven when a fast talker is sluring everything together. =A0And my comment wa= s mostly an aside. :)

Sure, but my point was valid. If you can "enjoy" typography= which is maximally illegible, as well as standard typography which you'= ;re all used to, there is surely room for an attempt at maximal legibility.= :-)

Michael

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