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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:08:57 +0100 Message-Id: <5E774979-25C0-464D-B6D4-A5E21F9BB45D@gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <9E58473C-A8AC-464F-826D-E44470D7F15F@gmail.com> <79614.64421.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <072F7F4E-1EB1-4BB5-B92D-7DDC4C43600B@gmail.com> <2E5ED6BC-24B5-4007-9335-0AFE76A95D93@gmail.com> <9CD8D7BE-F4F4-4BF2-B1EE-502C09C1E4DF@gmail.com> <0B6E5532-ADE0-4839-BF75-7700B5F3C67B@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d6a026a88f756753 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31 Mar 2010, at 16:54, Luke Bergen wrote: >> Sure, but my point was valid. If you can "enjoy" typography which is max= imally illegible, as well as standard typography which you're all used to, = there is surely room for an attempt at maximal legibility. :-) >=20 > I suppose that's a valid point. I just fear (perhaps wrongly) that you'r= e not interested in legibility so much as being standard to "victorian typo= graphy" or whatever. Actually my view is that standard Latin typography has evolved the way it h= as over the past 500 years because it enhances legibility. > I wonder if you would feel differently about the legibility of lojban if = you knew it or had read it over a long period of time. Since I have worked with writing systems of so very many kinds for so long,= I think it is safe for me to be able to predict that I would always consid= er current standard Lojban typographic conventions to be detrimental to eas= y legibility, as it is nothing but "a wall of words".=20 > I know other oldbies might disagree with me, but I find our typography as= it is now sufficiently legible and maximally elegant. Elegant means many things. I take it you mean elegant as in a nice proof, r= ather than elegant like a soft velvet jacket. > I just don't want to sacrifice elegance/long-standing-lojbanic-standards = on the alter of "victorian standards" under the guise of legibility. I see= this whole thing as another form of gross malglico. Hah! I read this as Esperanto, and thought "'Malglico'? 'Sourness'?". Having read http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MalGlico I will just say that standard L= atin typography is rather widespread and by no means restricted to English,= and leave it at that. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.