From 3RoGzSwQNBsY1tym1tym.01564.z6x0vnmzs00sxqs30614.o0y@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 10:07:51 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f148.google.com ([209.85.221.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3RoGzSwQNBsY1tym1tym.01564.z6x0vnmzs00sxqs30614.o0y@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx1OM-0006n5-8l for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:50 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf426654qyk.1 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=9zebqeSIPgZ3qIShNNEr7nJtn8OxaO6O9zQHL3S4UFw=; b=idwvyULGXQDB+43CbuENQZKMz6O9SpqL4m10qCDBpxtWKgR4CqKlrqMLMtvEQ18CnE D7O6/JwkxGFjM9rKmFd9rtBUvIYJyBac8s5YG2HyTkKgdrTNyxsWqkFcQsBwT5CMsUsU 2ecvQYzM0MJ0MX3O/ta9wtMmU2KSQ3/DDqFUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rPImVMD/mMu7mOKadNDpsPRskpm8ET4WWuU70J3883wd8E/ZagIuu9XwLodSYi3dyu 3SDib7NPZWfXg5rLTmm6zQgOqmOyZ9e5L0SnJP+KZI3lMYF1/2rUpG7RuP4Efy0gRte6 rZXDurbZTmbL3fWoSornadwVnCPCShCs1QbpI= Received: by 10.224.26.142 with SMTP id e14mr334089qac.34.1270055238139; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.81.20 with SMTP id v20ls180462qak.5.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.45.7 with SMTP id c7mr920863qaf.9.1270055234114; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.45.7 with SMTP id c7mr920862qaf.9.1270055234085; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si679408qyk.6.2010.03.31.10.07.13; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oepoZ8SyVIw8kQ/K1Qfc7r3r2iYOgw0fy5I37kOBdfE= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=8xLzODbsbnltuETe2REA:9 a=usiLTSsEuel-yb1Ly0MA:7 a=Gn3TrIHhdN9IVtmsqbEhlr7m9SAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:47433] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 74/85-22422-14183BB4; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:07:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EA6636B for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:07:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <4BB35C9A.6080903@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <4BB35C9A.6080903@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201003311307.07351.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a0cf6ea0e3b8b5ef Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 31 March 2010 10:30:50 Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > As I said, using "la" for: > > > > ...when suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her... > > > > is at the very least semantically odd. (Syntactically, it is fine.) > > By English semantics it is somewhat odd. It seems precisely to > represent in Lojban the choice in the English to capitalize what are > normally common nouns in English. Compare "suddenly a John Smith with > brown hair ran past her" (would "la" be semantically odd in translating > that?). .i suksa fa le nu la bi'u djan.smit. noi bunre se kerfa cu bajra zo'a .abu mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.