From 3woOzSwoJBkUz1vtpjoypznthps.jvtsvqihunvvnslnyv1wz.jvt@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 10:18:47 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f163.google.com ([209.85.210.163]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3woOzSwoJBkUz1vtpjoypznthps.jvtsvqihunvvnslnyv1wz.jvt@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx1Yn-0007Xq-5z for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:18:46 -0700 Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35sf339290yxe.24 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:from:date :received:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hLTn5C+g9GNXAxq9lx3QYH25bA7QGGmBHB2Xyt07bRQ=; b=VgXpyhmm0oMzZ1+QjLkBhVPiloIAJdoK13VgigYPuvKGRvlXBLBXokfZ6+JAlsXRCw BHM+hjoU9/N6CKH9KP82D3TI1rSyOm3eb1je2IaKLQx/Zic0ha/huBD5LiyNl2uhyvhc lXyO44emREeg7+fte6VbFOK+vKdJ6ArOuTcIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=534kyul/XYGVLY5wLsbHz+Oi82c/Kfg3bqblUHl68/h4jSwSv2mlAbQ9H/qc+nrxuW g5Frz2PJxZow7NgRG/SaiHwRwkIsauwNlGMEd1CxgG5mLO7k3Xhip4vHWN0kca0olUi7 x2LLKCGG7Sv25KIFfeoIileLiqBPDQReATrAc= Received: by 10.91.181.11 with SMTP id i11mr48604agp.0.1270055874389; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.50.27 with SMTP id c27ls142895agk.5.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr422806agt.7.1270055868937; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr422745agt.7.1270055866392; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f180.google.com (mail-gy0-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si511697gxk.14.2010.03.31.10.17.45; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.180; Received: by gyc15 with SMTP id 15so158220gyc.11 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Doty Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:24 -0700 Received: by 10.101.109.16 with SMTP id l16mr2909051anm.181.1270055864808; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9032e4aff9557bf Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed72dbaad47104831bec34 --001636ed72dbaad47104831bec34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just wanted to sort of condense what we have been talking about here in a more compact fashion. Essentially, the idea would be to (I've ordered the list logically, not temporally): 1) Chuck the cultural gismu (this seems to be an idea that has been around for awhile anyway, we just need good replacements). 2) Develop a new, much smaller set of gismu to cover things that were previously included in the cultural gismu, such as reflecting language/cultural/nationality in some respect. 3) For countries/territories: develop fu'ivla for the member states of the UN, along with other "important" areas (importance being based on an as-yet undetermined criterion). 4) For languages: develop fu'ivla based on the ISO code for the languages present in the 639-1 set of codes, but using their code as of the 639-3 revision. (I think it would be cool to use the language family codes, as presented here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2#Collective_language_codes), when filling out the fu'ivla.) 5) For religions: develop gismu that cover the world's major religions (probably with some artificial cut-off for number of adherents), (along with another couple gismu for "atheist" and something like "native beliefs/practices of x2"?) 6) For land masses: develop fu'ivla for either the seven continents as conventionally understood, or else for the major tectonic plates (which largely correlates with the continents, but leads to a bit more precision with a few more fu'ivla). If we did go the plate route, we'd have to again have some sort of artificial cut-off TBD. Hopefully that summary accurately represents the discussion thus far. Since it seems like this project has stagnated in the past, I'm more than willing to head this up (in the coordinating-efforts way, not the making-decisions way) and start coming up with some of the fu'ivla, and get something set up on the wiki for people to contribute to. But, before I do any of that, I'd like to make sure that a) people seem generally of the opinion that some change like this is probably a good idea, b) that this is the right way to go about it, and c) that folks are ok with a relative newbie like me taking point in coordinating things. I certainly don't want to step on people's toes, but I'd also like to see this get done. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636ed72dbaad47104831bec34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to sort of condense what we have been talking about here in a= more compact fashion. =A0Essentially, the idea would be to (I've order= ed the list logically, not temporally):

1) Chuck the cul= tural gismu (this seems to be an idea that has been around for awhile anywa= y, we just need good replacements).

2) Develop a new, much smaller set of gismu to cover th= ings that were previously included in the cultural gismu, such as reflectin= g language/cultural/nationality in some respect.

3) For countries/territories: develop fu'ivla for the member states of = the UN, along with other "important" areas (importance being base= d on an as-yet undetermined criterion).

4) For lan= guages: develop fu'ivla based on the ISO code for the languages present= in the 639-1 set of codes, but using their code as of the 639-3 revision. = =A0(I think it would be cool to use the language family codes, as presented= here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2#Collective_language_codes), when filling out the fu'ivla.)

5) For religions: develop gismu that cover the world= 9;s major religions (probably with some artificial cut-off for number of ad= herents), (along with another couple gismu for "atheist" and some= thing like "native beliefs/practices of x2"?)

6) For land masses: develop fu'ivla for either the = seven continents as conventionally understood, or else for the major tecton= ic plates (which largely correlates with the continents, but leads to a bit= more precision with a few more fu'ivla). =A0If we did go the plate rou= te, we'd have to again have some sort of artificial cut-off TBD.

Hopefully that summary accurately represents the discus= sion thus far.

Since it seems like this project ha= s stagnated in the past, I'm more than willing to head this up (in the = coordinating-efforts way, not the making-decisions way) and start coming up= with some of the fu'ivla, and get something set up on the wiki for peo= ple to contribute to. =A0But, before I do any of that, I'd like to make= sure that a) people seem generally of the opinion that some change like th= is is probably a good idea, b) that this is the right way to go about it, a= nd c) that folks are ok with a relative newbie like me taking point in coor= dinating things. =A0I certainly don't want to step on people's toes= , but I'd also like to see this get done.

Chris

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