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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:53:40 +0100 Message-Id: <0BF33D8E-F073-4B22-B407-292F9865EB32@gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <4BB35C9A.6080903@lojban.org> <201003311307.07351.phma@phma.optus.nu> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/5deeb4ccf76eae1e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 31 Mar 2010, at 18:30, Jorge Llambías wrote: > But of course that is not what the original means. The original > doesn't suggest that of the many things with name "the White Rabbit", > one who happens to have pink eyes suddenly ran close by her. The noun > phrase "a White Rabbit" in that sentence is clearly not used as a > name. The capital letters are just Lewis Carrol being fancy. 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The original > doesn't suggest that of the many things with name "the White Rabbit", > one who happens to have pink eyes suddenly ran close by her. The noun > phrase "a White Rabbit" in that sentence is clearly not used as a > name. The capital letters are just Lewis Carrol being fancy. I think it is a mistake on Carroll's part. AT the end of Chapter IV, Alice = sees "a large blue caterpillar", but at the beginning of Chapter V, he is n= amed "the Caterpillar". > In a somewhat similar vein, the typography used for the Mouse's long > tale/tail is pure visual play, don't expect any spoken cues to > correspond to that. Actually the rhyme does give an audible clue: "Fury said to the mouse That he met in the house, 'Let us both go to law: I will prosecute you=97 Come I'll take no denial: We must have the trial; For really this morning I've nothing to do.' Said the mouse to the cur, 'Such a trial, dear sir,=20 With no jury or judge would be wasting our breath.'" (Imagine each of those as a left-facing mouse with a long tail trailing beh= ind. Cf p. 35 in The Annotated Alice.) Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.