From 3142zSwQNBmQRJOCRJOC.QRVWU.PWNQLDCPIQQINGITQWRU.EQO@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 11:01:25 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f148.google.com ([209.85.221.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3142zSwQNBmQRJOCRJOC.QRVWU.PWNQLDCPIQQINGITQWRU.EQO@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx2E8-00030w-Hb for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:01:25 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf458389qyk.1 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:01:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=3M5IX6hp0WRFb3QBGztpeNhnfcmA1MXEecVGT2YUkJk=; b=nTjxn4P2qvVeD5qF2bZ9W5Z3Mr2zbP/OyAgyUBuzXA4v4izdU+K0/t7vKkPbMLdzg/ Wb4BaUOt53B0wlZtVqspi9X13l4z28JQDjlZjf9N+xVwA16z2QdiApI37dNLX4ZyALig Rz7EYVjkj/GgqJFiJZ7zDpehY3o+3xdaQihYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=3pOwhTGOpSHJYNHQ1WIjF8m9QTrOUaxQwmdNklzGss1H8O/puADHNAJjcXfBv+/RLU CVDAporDxJ7vJNksLduIvQng+7oqkVtGlZR1ZqEihWo7UexF4vCJp4LA1ZoTjU3ywVtB Potu/EBoBzfmcYUVwPFLsNIoel6g+okBt2RMs= Received: by 10.229.9.4 with SMTP id j4mr5512qcj.2.1270058455700; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.81.20 with SMTP id v20ls191052qak.5.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.31.6 with SMTP id w6mr912565qac.13.1270058454464; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.31.6 with SMTP id w6mr912564qac.13.1270058454437; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si704653qyk.5.2010.03.31.11.00.51; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oepoZ8SyVIw8kQ/K1Qfc7r3r2iYOgw0fy5I37kOBdfE= c=1 sm=0 a=VFxCzlUvzhgA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=OI4iEx8KZ6PC7vKXM7cA:9 a=Ykp0EKX_8OHv459X07PEK9AjAIwA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:41937] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 1F/91-22422-3DD83BB4; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:00:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09F1E698 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:00:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201003311400.42783.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f4cac24c8040b45e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 31 March 2010 13:17:24 Christopher Doty wrote: > I just wanted to sort of condense what we have been talking about here in a > more compact fashion. Essentially, the idea would be to (I've ordered the > list logically, not temporally): > > 1) Chuck the cultural gismu (this seems to be an idea that has been around > for awhile anyway, we just need good replacements). No. Leave them alone. Perhaps "softo" can go once the last person born before the Soviet Union split dies, and I don't think "skoto" should be used for Gaelic or Celtic, since it was included because English, one of the source languages, is spoken there. > 2) Develop a new, much smaller set of gismu to cover things that were > previously included in the cultural gismu, such as reflecting > language/cultural/nationality in some respect. We have "bangu", "kulnu", "natmi", and "gugde". What more do we need? > 3) For countries/territories: develop fu'ivla for the member states of the > UN, along with other "important" areas (importance being based on an as-yet > undetermined criterion). > > 4) For languages: develop fu'ivla based on the ISO code for the languages > present in the 639-1 set of codes, but using their code as of the 639-3 > revision. (I think it would be cool to use the language family codes, as > presented here ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2#Collective_language_codes), when > filling out the fu'ivla.) I think that fu'ivla for languages should be usually based on the autonym of the language. This will result in collisions (e.g. in one country there are three languages called Pong), which have to be resolved somehow (e.g. slovako/slovino). Also the place structure for a type-4 fu'ivla is "x1 reflects Almonian language/culture in aspect x2"; for the language specifically, use a type-3 based on "bangu". Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.