From 3-pGzSwoJBos7931xrw6x7v1px0.r3103yqp2v33v0tv63947.r31@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 11:19:00 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3-pGzSwoJBos7931xrw6x7v1px0.r3103yqp2v33v0tv63947.r31@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx2VD-0004Rt-N1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:19:00 -0700 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1sf363208gwb.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=wzMb0DcbjmZFP7bjlMcVyrHABn4N/VvJtamBX6oz/D8=; b=rjZdFkdEVmCi9urQ7omhh02BFgd+L8NcsiKgPiY/C/jkjUg63ssa3mBDEWAaT8OiQv xpgy0v11uLxFS+aXqL5KvqCD7l9nt6UIeotsd/e4SrmgE+9gqi20ZuMk8FQu36HMG61c xvYuVUu1wv3P1hoCmuvka6YzKwFPOAhZ0LAg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zaorJ8fbVvYVd2pqBOgJ2wZUHmjEGGnJUOps6WyXF49ULNAcC02GNunSCRbeylnyjZ xfxGXEivW57KvbbrzjJ/wE/Td9KZHaWDNV4BYURvv8M94Jz/K34/DBlAZdicoNMHURjK FTyfxlHgsUlXkdIFpfT+WYDZ2CYrmT1zAcneE= Received: by 10.91.133.13 with SMTP id k13mr57517agn.57.1270059514653; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.8 with SMTP id t8ls151844agl.2.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr509161agt.7.1270059513796; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr509158agt.7.1270059513737; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com (mail-yw0-f187.google.com [209.85.211.187]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si24709yxe.15.2010.03.31.11.18.32; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.187 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.187; Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so201318ywh.20 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <529d5619-752b-4b95-acbf-f8582a3ca635@z3g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> References: <529d5619-752b-4b95-acbf-f8582a3ca635@z3g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:10 -0700 Received: by 10.101.209.21 with SMTP id l21mr122143anq.114.1270059512281; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.187 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a4551d20fc9e6945 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d283a312bc2704831cc665 --0016e6d283a312bc2704831cc665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52, symuyn wrote: > I do like all of the ideas except the religion one. Is there a > particular reason why *gismu* should be used to represent religions? I > would think that fu=92ivla should be used for religions, as they would > be with cultures, languages, nations, and continents. This is my > biggest qualm. > I have no strong feelings about this either way. Another, less important question: why should language fu'ivla be > directly based on the ISO codes rather than their *native* names? > Well, the ISO codes *are* based on native names, as far as I can tell, > but I don't know what advantage this would give. In addition, there > could be a disadvantage in that the fu'ivla will resemble the > language's native name less, which I think is important. But=85I *am* > fine with using the ISO codes, if there's a good reason. > You can end up with stuff that is pretty close (barring having to switch things around to fit the syllable structure), so Afaraf, with ISO code aar, could be something like fra'afa (with the "afa" bit representing that it is an Afro-Asiatic language, which the closeness somewhat coincidental, but it still looks good :p). > Thirdly, will the language fu'ivla cover *languages* specifically? As > in, will it be "x1 pertains to language =85" or "x1 is in language =85", > etc.? > > One more thing: let's include oceans and major water bodies too if > we're dealing with continents/major landmasses. :) Indeed. Someone want to track down an oceanographer?? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e6d283a312bc2704831cc665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52, symuyn <rbysamppi@gmail.com> wrote:
I do like all of the ideas except the religion one. Is there a
particular reason why *gismu* should be used to represent religions? I
would think that fu=92ivla should be used for religions, as they would
be with cultures, languages, nations, and continents. This is my
biggest qualm.
=A0
I have no strong feelings= about this either way.

Another, less important question: why should language fu'ivla be
directly based on the ISO codes rather than their *native* names?
Well, the ISO codes *are* based on native names, as far as I can tell,
but I don't know what advantage this would give. In addition, there
could be a disadvantage in that the fu'ivla will resemble the
language's native name less, which I think is important. But=85I *am* fine with using the ISO codes, if there's a good reason.

You can end up with stuff that is pretty close (barri= ng having to switch things around to fit the syllable structure), so Afaraf= , with ISO code aar, could be something like fra'afa (with the "af= a" bit representing that it is an Afro-Asiatic language, which the clo= seness somewhat coincidental, but it still looks good :p).
=A0
Thirdly, will the language fu'ivla cover *languages* specifically? As in, will it be "x1 pertains to language =85" or "x1 is in la= nguage =85",
etc.?

One more thing: let's include oceans and major water bodies too if
we're dealing with continents/major landmasses. :)
Indeed. =A0Someone want to track down an oceanographer??=A0

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