From 32pKzSwMHBmwKbTXfQ.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 11:22:44 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <32pKzSwMHBmwKbTXfQ.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx2Yp-0004ju-A6 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:43 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf353139gyd.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-nvg-mailscanner-information:x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k9kNFtXPfgQmT+2lfjG8IHeA7NoKWzbYuZbPq22E5g0=; b=gbJ+jduvGpSCkByH5P2YauthV+qUSyadEHw08HcIYsoiE+pUIk/H1KsJwX8duA9kCM fg+pM1JFNUAcK8uhKd3BRdCUbeTggyYI3LrJjGCC/qZYzbaRtbaNm+AA7vZp8kBZORPJ jkqf2y/oY7lrvwtIjD033mosW1zqA4/8NI8W4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=yCOy4adDBi8joaE5wAWgzOZqOB7nfwu81LQm+ZyGy2ta7soXr+qO8W3UMWVkU/Tj7u EGZGYkpk1PSN2ws7jZSSUyRcubVcJhqoiJjLtqLskQtCGrHjCHeiogp5gq0fsrXVvxvK 6jWlX4uB5/INM9so0voTkyFehJt68I5FZi4Is= Received: by 10.91.185.15 with SMTP id m15mr53146agp.49.1270059738403; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.2.70 with SMTP id 6ls101562ebi.2.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.41.212 with SMTP id p20mr90227ebe.28.1270059734273; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.41.212 with SMTP id p20mr90226ebe.28.1270059734238; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si382835ewy.2.2010.03.31.11.22.13; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1043C94783 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:22:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o2VIM45x011747 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:22:04 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id o2VIM2qL011746 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:22:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:22:02 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla Message-ID: <20100331182202.GL3000@nvg.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a6cc6f71080999ae Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:17:24AM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote: > But, before I do any of that, I'd like to make sure that a) people seem g= enerally of the opinion that some change like this is probably a good idea, Re 1, 2 and 5: gismu are generally neither created nor removed. The change = you outline would be the most radical change to gismu space in the history = of Lojban. It would invalidate much existing text, and is therefore unlikel= y to be accepted. For examples of gismu changes that might considered by the BPFK, see http:/= /www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+gismu+Issues Re 3, 4 and 6: fu'ivla like this are being created all the time, and is a g= ood thing IMO. But care should be taken to make them as close to any releva= nt autonyms as possible. > b) that this is the right way to go about it, Only the LLG can change the gismu, but anyone can make fu'ivla. I suggest y= ou go the latter route exclusively. Re 4: it may prove difficult to make a workable mapping from ISO 639-3 code= s to fu'ivla. Such a mapping would necessarily be quite opaque, which would= hinder adoption. I suggest using fu'ivla based entirely on autonyms. Makin= g good fu'ivla based on autonyms requires some knowledge of the source lang= uage, which means that it cannot be done automatically on the basis of a li= st of autonyms. > and c) that folks are ok with a relative newbie like me taking point in c= oordinating things. Not sure what you mean by =93coordinating=94. A lot of this can be done on = an ad-hoc basis, but requires some quite arcane knowledge on the part of wh= oever actually coins the word, especially when it comes to fu'ivla. --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ [T]he savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXC= C country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears th= e call sign. -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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