From 3vZOzSwoJBlA1133s4t0sAy4s03.u64361ts5y66y3wy96C7A.u64@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 11:26:31 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3vZOzSwoJBlA1133s4t0sAy4s03.u64361ts5y66y3wy96C7A.u64@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx2cU-000555-KA for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:31 -0700 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf789933vws.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6oJT1y6IbIKl4IE39oFNvJHIFLHhUuZnDa7Mq0Ne//o=; b=Etie2VBdLYCrl+/UN9ceXDSL1x4bomLBxPni6gN7vc19ywAsmitD6LlhHAVMgL4FAh Hf3hJO1Y5K2ZxKQSxR7QZvLuk9It7vDKYhASOTjTVPVqWg+BZjn6Xx5+p3vGBghN1np6 qjFXimHW04cCIvi8avmtZTQrnRUs47bMrtRuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=4JD3UGLOnDKkh1MEhlRmm1zjTc8BxKJJDQAE+Ou4WNqPKmwrwqtFLXkoTNda2j4Aen jInBW7Qmiw6zndvdFFihmDabbuRVL1hiTWQM44+y7fs2ZSRnGJNSHbyB0Irn2d0D1KJR WUb2gKstSmzt4gbbYSQ3aO9787Er42CBBZNT0= Received: by 10.220.124.202 with SMTP id v10mr8758vcr.52.1270059965493; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.174.133 with SMTP id t5ls176412vcz.2.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.81.69 with SMTP id w5mr2139094vck.26.1270059963160; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.81.69 with SMTP id w5mr2139093vck.26.1270059963132; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.221.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 21si16912848vws.1.2010.03.31.11.26.02; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.172; Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so379131qyk.0 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.67 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FA35319-8087-4C14-A8FD-93C9942B1795@gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <4BB35C9A.6080903@lojban.org> <201003311307.07351.phma@phma.optus.nu> <0BF33D8E-F073-4B22-B407-292F9865EB32@gmail.com> <4FA35319-8087-4C14-A8FD-93C9942B1795@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:26:01 -0300 Received: by 10.229.213.140 with SMTP id gw12mr1157329qcb.96.1270059961855; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9fbd76e718d8421d Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > > That is called "emblematic verse" or "figured verse". It's fun. Exactly. Visual fun. >> The visual presentation is not one of three left-facing mice, it is one = mouse tail. > > Yes, but, to quote the Annotated Alice: > > In 1989 two New Jersey teenage students at the Pennington School, Gary Gr= aham and Jeffrey Maiden, made an unusual discovery. Carroll's mouse poem ha= s the structure of what is know as a "tail rhyme" -- a rhyming couplet foll= owed by a short unrhymed line. By lengthening the last line, Carroll turned= his poem into a pattern which, of printed in a traditional form as shown, = resembles a mouse with a long tail! For details of the discovery, see "Tail= in Tail(s): A Study Worthy of Alice's Friend" in The New York Times, May 1= , 1991, p. A23). I don't know if we are disagreeing about anything at this point. The "tail rhyme" structure is an intrinsic part of the text, whether in written or spoken form. The tail shape is only a fun feature of the written text, not reflected in the spoken text. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.