From 3t62zSwoJBmQUWQOKEJTKUIOCKN.EQONQLDCPIQQINGITQWRU.EQO@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 13:17:22 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f160.google.com ([209.85.211.160]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3t62zSwoJBmQUWQOKEJTKUIOCKN.EQONQLDCPIQQINGITQWRU.EQO@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx4Lk-000507-HS for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:17:22 -0700 Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32sf419272ywh.28 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:17:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2Q20hnRv2nGkvDzOVF+uIASQs9E28/Zmvl0aEUQkE/A=; b=jQS/YjyKpxxWudOS8vKnWbmbrQeeo2fAci2Kt47pl0kyGjdTlnesfqsy0acEX3SVtN vFTYKCJZwwg0LkC8+IsmgCbw2DPGA1bggEmrtoujoJ7oAm1ToZCdXFGqzQ5EboFagqnU c/NYvhAFW0xcxFUx8+S1BHd9Row6M2j3YNRws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ShkeZgds3Lk5c/4b753zPA+OafcUSXRuQs8UUBUeqMneHtSavWutVbApfUp6vJhSxD hxNfhsdvqtGJ7tOHQ3oDN0ydLXLCqpDYhaUJ27SrJ6/NuOPVyFE5rL6A+xbWQZrOvbMP u4yyj/KYUvaJzQ6Xb5jWs3+aJ4hj9yugZJynI= Received: by 10.150.172.7 with SMTP id u7mr23084ybe.38.1270066615144; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.91.7 with SMTP id t7ls163814agl.1.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr618959ago.13.1270066611331; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr618930ago.13.1270066609778; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si533989gxk.8.2010.03.31.13.16.48; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.172; Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so242555gyh.3 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB3921C.50308@lojban.org> <4BB3A8E7.3000500@gmail.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:28 -0700 Received: by 10.101.132.31 with SMTP id j31mr344710ann.121.1270066608445; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/fc2f43cc109ed2d5 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ea06b099bc504831e6d6f --0016e68ea06b099bc504831e6d6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/31 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > My own preference is to go along the lines of: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/experimental+cultural+gismu > > (That list covers mostly only European and South American > cultures/countries, however.) > This completely fails to remove the conflation of culture, language, nationality, and geography(!). > A complete list of fu'ivla for all UN member countries would probably > be a useful thing to have around. As a linguist, (who once dreamed of having international scientific publications appear in Lojban), I would find it much more useful to have words to talk about languages that don't have to be made up on the spot, an= d don't refer to a bunch of other things as well. Chris --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e68ea06b099bc504831e6d6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/31 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

My own preference is to go along the lines of:<= br> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/experimental+cultural+gismu

(That list covers mostly only European and South American
cultures/countries, however.)

This comp= letely fails to remove the conflation of culture, language, nationality, an= d geography(!).
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A complete list of fu'ivla for all UN member countries would probably be a useful thing to have around.

As a ling= uist, (who once dreamed of having international scientific publications app= ear in Lojban), I would find it much more useful to have words to talk abou= t languages that don't have to be made up on the spot, and don't re= fer to a bunch of other things as well.

Chris

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