From 3Qb-zSwcJBgAlytleswgmail.comlojbangooglegroups.com@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 14:32:13 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Qb-zSwcJBgAlytleswgmail.comlojbangooglegroups.com@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx5WC-0001G5-88 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:32:12 -0700 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1287811vws.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=dv/Jym6iDYofm7ZYsPk+Z7D/tv5yeAuipimo9mSbf3I=; b=uDUJjRgrhei2Ra+s4QlQqMn9ySfC5DNuKSA5OAv6prDtWePZHjZfZGlb+9+CrYK85W jdbr5kSFDbKACGTHoy4UY2wbc4y/YjmHFDDonivu4f608QQGUv0Cmbnb8dZFKHTSmYH+ J5Y+5DTL26XnJxOVhbAGWE5xLY2N26DDn5mzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DZRoSzX+2HTSFu2i2oV615+TA3K3QjD/4bHclVf9OtSsltIRRV8fjU51jBtKGW953c tzHGlODebDoEvoi2TE7D2OAhZpUdV/qImWoWBPSYOse9ak8Ji4KGZq00UO9hwUrGowoL 9JntQzkYwfk79Rt5WmBXUiE70owBSElxOkrJU= Received: by 10.220.107.101 with SMTP id a37mr758vcp.13.1270071105960; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls212773vcf.5.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.48.74 with SMTP id q10mr2878vcf.5.1270071103425; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.48.74 with SMTP id q10mr2877vcf.5.1270071103349; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f189.google.com (mail-yw0-f189.google.com [209.85.211.189]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si17272629vws.5.2010.03.31.14.31.42; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.189 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.189; Received: by ywh27 with SMTP id 27so303694ywh.22 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.242.9 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <27513e551003300148q3e78ef25lb01b2032f5b3b98d@mail.gmail.com> <27513e551003301829u64cdc631ka11c7eaee1665a37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:31:39 -0400 Received: by 10.101.38.5 with SMTP id q5mr574080anj.38.1270071099295; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Getting serious about "Cultural" fi'uvla (was: You're doing it wrong) From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/7096de6ee0848de3 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c99b672ad23baf45 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed6d32b6b26404831f7841 --001636ed6d32b6b26404831f7841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The ISO list of codes could be used for the languages, but ignoring the actual codes in favor of autonyms. IOW, if a language is on the list, it should have a name (although all languages should have names), but not using the code itself in the formation of that name. Many of the languages will, of course, have names that are similar to the codes, since the codes were apparently based on the autonyms. stevo On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Christopher Doty wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 18:29, Oren wrote: > >> >> If we want a dense and obvious indicator, we can just use { gugde + > 3166-1-alpha-2 code> } >> No, I'm serious. >> > > Man, I keep looking at that and going back and forth. It does have a > certain elegance, but is also has a certain, you know, just saying codes. I > think the main problem with this method is--what if the ISO changes the > codes, as recently happened with the language codes? I'm not sure the > meanings of Lojban terms should be tied to the ISO codes, although I do > still think the ISO lists are a great place to start. > > Oren, can you clarify what you meant by "top-level" before in terms of > language codes? > > Chris > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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The ISO list of codes could be used for the languages, but ignoring th= e actual codes in favor=A0of autonyms. IOW, if a language is on the list, i= t should have a name (although all languages should have names), but not us= ing the code itself in the formation of that name. Many of the languages wi= ll, of course, have names that are similar to the codes, since the codes we= re apparently based on the autonyms.
stevo
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Christopher Do= ty <suomichris= @gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 18:29, Oren <= ;get.oren@gmail.com= > wrote:

If we want a dense and obvious indicator, we can just use { gugde + &l= t;ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 code> }=A0
No, I'm serious.

Man, I keep looking at that and going back and forth. =A0It does have = a certain elegance, but is also has a certain, you know, just saying codes.= =A0I think the main problem with this method is--what if the ISO changes t= he codes, as recently happened with the language codes? =A0I'm not sure= the meanings of Lojban terms should be tied to the ISO codes, although I d= o still think the ISO lists are a great place to start.

Oren, can you clarify what you meant by "top-level" before i= n terms of language codes?

Chris

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