From 30sCzSwoJBpIEGA84y3D4E28w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 14:38:51 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <30sCzSwoJBpIEGA84y3D4E28w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx5cd-0001e1-Q9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:51 -0700 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1308068vws.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2kxTe35oYCS9ypeAUiWehlhcyEtlTEJPasdRFdsWqR0=; b=zyBmGI0Nx2Y/6ZT0NeauvVAKLDOlMXvbkf/8gHA+cwI5EgqngPlanG17S9yWmk6f7I Edqj4fT9CbBwJNxUKmNnAu4LpmVJj1LzVsUjretxDJKm+DYDD9uoVx4ylAlP+gawTphs k292k2V1XnON8mppjxuo57hlkQNsH60emHSy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pft2fprqjwvE5v/HWWiLBf4TIB1XdcUjh95jm4jG5izXZTJcIqPXz4+XAqN5oKGIxQ nas5mow6dcpSNNt3R42fE2iPrSS7ThsxVjnK2LLWWylZ5yJgkm3iMJ/rjMzFx16dkVxl hz/uoOLlMcA904tirwc622Vj7BOjwmTX5iBaY= Received: by 10.220.127.34 with SMTP id e34mr2466vcs.2.1270071506987; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls213883vcf.5.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.208 with SMTP id v16mr1971vcy.17.1270071505843; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.208 with SMTP id v16mr1970vcy.17.1270071505802; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f204.google.com (mail-yw0-f204.google.com [209.85.211.204]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si17284454vws.3.2010.03.31.14.38.24; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.204 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.204; Received: by mail-yw0-f204.google.com with SMTP id 42so340599ywh.7 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <27513e551003300148q3e78ef25lb01b2032f5b3b98d@mail.gmail.com> <27513e551003301829u64cdc631ka11c7eaee1665a37@mail.gmail.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:03 -0700 Received: by 10.101.176.33 with SMTP id d33mr607589anp.49.1270071504341; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Getting serious about "Cultural" fi'uvla (was: You're doing it wrong) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.204 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/7096de6ee0848de3 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3dc8eebdf5db06e7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bea2db19a404831f90b7 --001636c5bea2db19a404831f90b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I assume you're referring to a previous version of the ISO codes? The current list has over 7,000 codes......... On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 14:31, MorphemeAddict wrote: > The ISO list of codes could be used for the languages, but ignoring the > actual codes in favor of autonyms. IOW, if a language is on the list, it > should have a name (although all languages should have names), but not using > the code itself in the formation of that name. Many of the languages will, > of course, have names that are similar to the codes, since the codes were > apparently based on the autonyms. > stevo > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Christopher Doty wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 18:29, Oren wrote: >> >>> >>> If we want a dense and obvious indicator, we can just use { gugde + >> 3166-1-alpha-2 code> } >>> No, I'm serious. >>> >> >> Man, I keep looking at that and going back and forth. It does have a >> certain elegance, but is also has a certain, you know, just saying codes. I >> think the main problem with this method is--what if the ISO changes the >> codes, as recently happened with the language codes? I'm not sure the >> meanings of Lojban terms should be tied to the ISO codes, although I do >> still think the ISO lists are a great place to start. >> >> Oren, can you clarify what you meant by "top-level" before in terms of >> language codes? >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636c5bea2db19a404831f90b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I assume you're referring to a previous version of the ISO codes? =A0Th= e current list has over 7,000 codes.........

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 14:31, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
The ISO list of codes could be used fo= r the languages, but ignoring the actual codes in favor=A0of autonyms. IOW,= if a language is on the list, it should have a name (although all language= s should have names), but not using the code itself in the formation of tha= t name. Many of the languages will, of course, have names that are similar = to the codes, since the codes were apparently based on the autonyms.
stevo
On Wed, Mar 31= , 2010 at 11:00 AM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 18:29, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

If we want a dense and obvious indicator, we can just use { gugde + &l= t;ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 code> }=A0
No, I'm serious.

Man, I keep looking at that and going back and forth. =A0It does have = a certain elegance, but is also has a certain, you know, just saying codes.= =A0I think the main problem with this method is--what if the ISO changes t= he codes, as recently happened with the language codes? =A0I'm not sure= the meanings of Lojban terms should be tied to the ISO codes, although I d= o still think the ISO lists are a great place to start.

Oren, can you clarify what you meant by "top-level" before i= n terms of language codes?

Chris

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