From 3McezSwoJBvciikkZlahZrflZhk.bnlkniaZmfnnfkdfqntor.bnl@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 15:06:17 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3McezSwoJBvciikkZlahZrflZhk.bnlkniaZmfnnfkdfqntor.bnl@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx63B-0003YC-Kc for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:06:16 -0700 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1384751vws.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:06:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D18EM6gFmLYC0r2Mv/eZ41RD4m+GH3/z90D6GvUlmSc=; b=0K0QYOkPagA5ZZIZanvm7LIkQtp1rqqcNTYGuntEKAEGYqfofIGzr9sam1i5WBCvXb ty2vf2Y79bBVHIWRxx/53ydRMUoXdLtZaWpTr/rF++eYknjB30vh+Yf9gweoYi3gbgFs GqaRNEvGL210fsWwEha+6bXWw9lXMb5Hj0flY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=E+w0wwtO5xhZ3QSWlNI4RqjDEyvW7f5FaTy92R7cSNJH8sxo5fUvxCUk9n8N04jbTy yMAHkLhellctiSSEMxbfm1QqU4tsDFnTuG1yZ2LP/ZHrmwDROCWyEJ8fCU5lSSmeCOF0 XkjQx1s9YEjoS+d+nk51ZKFTGQ04gLY9B28H0= Received: by 10.220.107.40 with SMTP id z40mr3300vco.11.1270073137431; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.85 with SMTP id o21ls223865vck.0.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.48.74 with SMTP id q10mr11523vcf.5.1270073135943; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.48.74 with SMTP id q10mr11522vcf.5.1270073135918; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f193.google.com (mail-qy0-f193.google.com [209.85.221.193]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si17334780vws.5.2010.03.31.15.05.34; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.193; Received: by mail-qy0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so592865qyk.20 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.67 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB3921C.50308@lojban.org> <4BB3A8E7.3000500@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:05:34 -0300 Received: by 10.229.250.197 with SMTP id mp5mr146284qcb.16.1270073134639; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d0b86904a09c47f5 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Christopher Doty wr= ote: > 2010/3/31 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas >> >> If the transformation ISO -> fu'ivla is not univocal and preferrably >> reversible, it loses most of its appeal, at least for me. > > Fair enough, although it would actually be imposible to do it this way, > since at least some of the lang codes have illegal clusters, or no vowels= at > all. =C2=A0Some of them will have to be tweaked to fit. I wouldn't say it's impossible. You could have as the rule something like code xyz becomes fu'ivla xaybzc, where a, b, and c are functions of x, y, z such that xaybzc always results in a valid fu'ivla. The problem is that the result would usually be hardly anything recognizable. > I was trying to keep the CCV'VCV structure for all of them.... Even more restrictive. >> > Assamese (=E0=A6=85=E0=A6=B8=E0=A6=AE=E0=A7=80=E0=A6=AF=E0=A6=BC=E0=A6= =BE) sma'ine (asm/ine) >> > Belarusian (=D0=91=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=83=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B0=D1= =8F) ble'ine (bel/ine) >> > Breton (brezhoneg) bre'ine (bre/ine) >> > Chechen (=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=B9=D0=BD =D0=BC=D0=BE=D1=82= =D1=82) tce'acu (che/cau) >> >> OK, don't let me stop you. :) > > Well, it's fun and all, Was your list picked randomly, or were the examples hand-picked so that they would convert easily into a fu'ivla? If the former, you may have something, if the latter, the method has not really been tested. > but I'm not terrible interested in doing all of this > if people don't think it's worthwhile/won't be using it. =C2=A0I have muc= h > better, productive things to spend my time on. I guess it's your call. I doubt people can commit to liking the result before seeing it. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.