From 3RcmzSwoJBg46820wqv5w6u0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 15:14:57 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3RcmzSwoJBg46820wqv5w6u0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx6BW-0003uC-IT for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:57 -0700 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1sf569948gwb.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=YLOyt1NUnVZrGFaoRZ6nlDy8zYJxC+5GvlEUCyWZMp4=; b=FCKNhZRMZZEjp2vN0RzYZv/OK3iOny/q9kEmB5+YFqwjExa4Kb2czOKaJnSgDeDZNo LF1eJZxD4HBa68+sqVa4ncC55iY+vHigOGI+QW+8RqLuQKVkIIuqBYX3u3eWIBtxNXFx ypYMni+ZxaSftx621QhqHh6DSmJbXYm23B54M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qQidTsnvywE5+MkYU58GqljCsha/9KBmpuGAtUB83+ZPXxBE3ReBuzj4awuFFq4Xvh Hs6C4B8hQG1tyiMyHdNnmS/dGT+3nwx2TfZv42SByB+hjgZNNIE5xHVNcOLwcfXcfYmG Q+PZ31vLnPto7wyIQxENlUZ+8MEps2bwcagYU= Received: by 10.150.242.4 with SMTP id p4mr34241ybh.3.1270073669857; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.66.23 with SMTP id t23ls173749agk.6.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.152.18 with SMTP id z18mr837086agd.10.1270073662146; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.152.18 with SMTP id z18mr837034agd.10.1270073658586; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si121775ywh.2.2010.03.31.15.14.17; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.197; Received: by mail-yw0-f197.google.com with SMTP id 35so314749ywh.24 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:13:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB3A8E7.3000500@gmail.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:13:56 -0700 Received: by 10.101.210.31 with SMTP id m31mr432281anq.179.1270073656369; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2959ba91c39b22a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d285b1207c8b0483201155 --0016e6d285b1207c8b0483201155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/31 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas I wouldn't say it's impossible. You could have as the rule something > like code xyz becomes fu'ivla xaybzc, where a, b, and c are functions > of x, y, z such that xaybzc always results in a valid fu'ivla. The > problem is that the result would usually be hardly anything > recognizable. > > > I was trying to keep the CCV'VCV structure for all of them.... > > Even more restrictive. > True, but also more internally consistent. > >> > Assamese (=E0=A6=85=E0=A6=B8=E0=A6=AE=E0=A7=80=E0=A6=AF=E0=A6=BC=E0= =A6=BE) sma'ine (asm/ine) > >> > Belarusian (=D0=91=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=83=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B0= =D1=8F) ble'ine (bel/ine) > >> > Breton (brezhoneg) bre'ine (bre/ine) > >> > Chechen (=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=B9=D0=BD =D0=BC=D0=BE=D1= =82=D1=82) tce'acu (che/cau) > >> > >> OK, don't let me stop you. :) > > > > Well, it's fun and all, > > Was your list picked randomly, or were the examples hand-picked so > that they would convert easily into a fu'ivla? If the former, you may > have something, if the latter, the method has not really been tested. > Something in between. I had only done those three language families, or maybe one or two more. So they're not entirely random, but they're also no= t really hand picked. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e6d285b1207c8b0483201155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/31 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

I wouldn't say it's impossible. You could have as the rule somethin= g
like code xyz becomes fu'ivla xaybzc, where a, b, and c are functions of x, y, z such that xaybzc always results in a valid fu'ivla. The
problem is that the result would usually be hardly anything
recognizable.

> I was trying to keep the CCV'VCV structure for all of them....

Even more restrictive.

True, but = also more internally consistent.
=C2=A0
>> > Assamese (=E0=A6=85=E0=A6=B8=E0=A6=AE=E0=A7=80=E0=A6=AF=E0=A6= =BC=E0=A6=BE) sma'ine (asm/ine)
>> > Belarusian (=D0=91=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=83=D1=81=D0=BA= =D0=B0=D1=8F) ble'ine (bel/ine)
>> > Breton (brezhoneg) bre'ine (bre/ine)
>> > Chechen (=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=B9=D0=BD =D0=BC=D0= =BE=D1=82=D1=82) tce'acu (che/cau)
>>
>> OK, don't let me stop you. :)
>
> Well, it's fun and all,

Was your list picked randomly, or were the examples hand-picked so that they would convert easily into a fu'ivla? If the former, you may have something, if the latter, the method has not really been tested.

Something in between. =C2=A0I had only done = those three language families, or maybe one or two more. =C2=A0So they'= re not entirely random, but they're also not really hand picked.

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