From 30umzSwoJBrskkmmbncjbthnbjm.dpnmpkcbohpphmfhspvqt.dpn@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 17:33:51 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <30umzSwoJBrskkmmbncjbthnbjm.dpnmpkcbohpphmfhspvqt.dpn@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nx8Lw-0004Ek-6H for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:51 -0700 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1846691vws.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+5EvNagYPmU1ydyJkTPRTrDTilrFzne2xeoMuL8EEdE=; b=S/YY1jhlztG+b5Ki7mLHRcB5XM3VY/IqiekIQVWhBpWKZFo74OHuWe5uGamlF1fy9m OByRmyvF3Wn+H2yaVe2UiEx6Owfu5MjYAz9FOE4q9GSGhq4PJbKFFch/4NsUdMJ+/xJ6 SOb4bcIHWsyy8xSUHRnUGMfUkhC2YwKMpxllY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=COAloQm36RGxRTrqedPZHrKUxu2JVzF0+qyb8uzcFmyN0AIar4HRIZkzEWAOdeYK7d 2BcmoL4EEth9gLsG3O1UaWwiLGTfmBWJU0yphqCqvqG7PCGXw/gAD3iNtXKbowdcMXeL eqsA4t39XkV6IsaZIElvtnvmFhPGbKw73ZeOI= Received: by 10.220.89.89 with SMTP id d25mr9990vcm.36.1270082002238; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.174.133 with SMTP id t5ls239394vcz.2.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.208 with SMTP id v16mr39876vcy.17.1270082000372; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.208 with SMTP id v16mr39875vcy.17.1270082000330; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f184.google.com (mail-qy0-f184.google.com [209.85.221.184]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si17596385vws.5.2010.03.31.17.33.19; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.184 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.184; Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so725421qyk.14 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.67 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BB3E38E.4040503@gmail.com> References: <4BB3E38E.4040503@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:33:19 -0300 Received: by 10.229.229.70 with SMTP id jh6mr230653qcb.107.1270081999077; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.184 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/14b1566b86da4676 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Leo Molas wrote: > What I propose is: > > 1- Let the fu'ivla have another form (for example CVCCV'V). That one happens to be a lujvo form, so it can't be a fu'ivla. See: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Exhaustive+list+of+short+fu'ivla+forms for more options. But I don't really think it's such a good idea to be restricted to any particular form of fu'ivla. > 2- Make fu'ivla type 3 (I think) with a prefix (like gug or gu'e) type 3 prefixes must end in a consonant: CVC-, CCVC-, or CVCC- > I'm more inclined to the last one, since with the prefix you can tell > really fast if it's a country or not (since with the CCV'VCV structure, > there might be some other fu'ivla with that structure). That's the advantage of type-3, The disadvantage is that they sound more weird, less like normal lojban words, because of the forced consonantal syllable.. > Using experimental gismu has many many problems... > > 1- They are experimental (ta da! waiting my invitation to the tautology > club!) > 2- If we could invent all the gismu for all the countries, we'll have > (how many countries exists? 400? 500?) about a 25% of the gismu in that > particular area. Why is that a disadvantage? You will only learn the ones you use. Whether they are gismu form or fu'ivla form it will be the same number. > 3- If we don't (as now) we aren't culturally neutral. > 4- xorxes said CCV'VCV is restrictive... well, gismu is more restrictive. That's true, but on the other hand, they are the words that feel the most Lojbanic. If the gismu "gento" had not existed when I started learning Lojban I would have been pissed off, and I would have created it (or maybe "xento") as soon as I felt comfortable using the language. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.