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(was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.188 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/eff2991a56725ca1 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Doty wro= te: > So, I kind of distracted from this, but here is what I had come up with. > =A0Putting the language families first, and having alternate forms for > different clusters, does work a lot better. > Also, this is a bit weird, since six of these eight languages are > Niger-Congo, so also isn't quite a random sample, Apparently Niger-Congo is the family with the most members, so that's not too surprizing. So, you want to create a prefix or series of prefixes for each of (how many? more than a hundred?) families? Is it really worth going to all that trouble? What's the advantage, over just using bang-, ban-, baur-? > but it does illustrate, as > do the examples from .xorxes., the idea of different initial elements. = =A0So, > Niger-Congo might be {nirk} when the ISO is V initial, {nirko} when it is= VV > initial, etc.... If you do that, how do you distinguish code "aab" from code "oab"? "nirko'abu" could be either. (At least if they both happen to be in the same family.) And why would you want to change the vowel? > aaa -> nirka'a'a' (cf. banga'a'a) > aab -> nirko'abu (cf. banga'abu) > aba -> nirkaba or ... (cf. bangabu'a) I could do "bangaba" too. The reason I prefer "bangabu'a"is that this way every language name has four syllables. But if giving three syllables to languages with VCV codes does not violate neutrality, that can be done. > abb -> ... bangabubu > baa -> ... banbu'a'a > bab -> babnicV or nirbabV (cf. banbu'abu) "nirbabV" works with a nir- family code, but it wouldn't work with other family codes. > bba -> ... banbubu'a > bbb -> tagbVbVbV (cf. banbububu) tag- won't work for codes that begin with voiceless consonants. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.