From 35WO2SwQNBks2uzn2uzn.12675.07y1won0t11tyrt41725.p1z@groups.bounces.google.com Fri Apr 02 14:39:06 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f162.google.com ([209.85.221.162]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <35WO2SwQNBks2uzn2uzn.12675.07y1won0t11tyrt41725.p1z@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxoZx-00082Q-AU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:39:05 -0700 Received: by mail-qy0-f162.google.com with SMTP id 34sf4792529qyk.21 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=sLBCuAwKFGZzDnXFdXEeSjsT2B9icqSZoPXLtHPaaDc=; b=zQ+CmPsKHTKsc3EjgDb9IzL/0o/yaajyb3m6KWPIxF41DJ7/436t235Whe4ZUVuJ/E KoDe38yZSlAfrud7P074fG8QR2U6gVfJxjiz4ZTqoTLjoBxS0YN6EqAL2PGISjY2FVfZ ATVAeBndAvUxk067sl93/bSOOb4yLgmytKjA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ui/g0TZKppfAh7LhWk6glLJaz9IGHk6CbxzsTSN49SUiPXWjR/RRE0pAPWNFH8YoP7 AuFEJimc8uXIALsZar+9pPf9ycNKOaBwKBJag4srHh5/t9tFkW/jbvT5mV46Zy5x1spA 0bqC7giI8f9ZZBYflcVFF3Ges27RnzHO1H5K4= Received: by 10.224.26.142 with SMTP id e14mr91751qac.9.1270244325361; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:38:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.32.10 with SMTP id a10ls296984qad.2.p; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.44.95 with SMTP id z31mr233725qae.16.1270244226817; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.44.95 with SMTP id z31mr233724qae.16.1270244226793; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1089333qyk.7.2010.04.02.14.37.06; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=r5GW/L+rpJDkoUyMFHVuPGHXTNK7nNi5xv48hhswsm4= c=1 sm=0 a=J2R1KQno20gA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=0h9YBoXoVhOkQCfcUA4A:9 a=gMw5LoTJCQRcd6nERO5WJsmbdVMA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:58493] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 7C/87-02420-28366BB4; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:37:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93D33EF1 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] language codes was: So what do we say for Swedish? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:37:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004021737.04235.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/24d2eb0b6733d815 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 02 April 2010 14:20:28 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > According to Wikipedia, they are all in use: > > aaa: Ghotuo > aab: Alumu-Tesu > aba: Ab=E9 > abb: Bankon > baa: Babatana > bab: Bainouk-Gunyu=F1o > bba: Baatonum > bbb: Barai > > I propose those eight be used as test cases. I've never heard of any of those languages, except Ghotuo which I found whe= n=20 looking at template aaa on Wiktionary, and I think that if you run this=20 nunfu'ivlazba to completion, you're going to end up with a humongous list= =20 that's as desuet as a dule of doves. The way language names are coined in natural languages is completely=20 different. People who are interested in a particular language (hereinafter= =20 Pelonian) find out what the Pelonians call their language (which requires= =20 learning some Pelonian) and what their neighbors the Almonians call it. The= n=20 they decide what to call it in, say, English. Then they write reports about= =20 Pelonian and other people learn that there is such a language. They may, on= =20 learning more Pelonian, figure out that they used the wrong word to name th= e=20 language ("Auca", for instance, is an exonym meaning "enemy", so they are n= ow=20 called "Waorani" or other spellings thereof). I do not see a need for coining a type-4 or even type-3 fu'ivla for Baatonu= m=20 or Babatana until some Lojbanist is interested in those languages. Leave th= em=20 at type 1. Pierre --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.