From 3SUa3SwoJBpI5577w8x4wE28w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com Sat Apr 03 06:45:07 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3SUa3SwoJBpI5577w8x4wE28w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Ny3eo-0000KI-Mg for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:45:07 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf4107957vws.16 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=5GMzYj+21ZhbxpmvLGNR3domwU1uf7nyG2szWW0YUP4=; b=iE8M2JUoCrAoImQOTxZv9v4U20vxGgORDVQrrrIMXkOI9n9Ob4CXVVXZo8kcYkxS7v 8PlhnDkTcHxylBEz9kf+DvYAbJMQK1ZjDfbypdzF+up3ACxwFE4n6zbvNuejl71IlFI0 tKsfR82HYyYZMoyeArs/Xz3uKSSLLtAAn/zVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=7L1t5er5nkcmf0YSh48WqH0IM8vM7mh55jkp04hwHCLKZQaR99XdtYh3XeLpXWq7Gn DkBtPlb/+O/gzHzyd/Qpyoh58aN0G0eqil3No2SsmpR2j1ked7gZ32Lmp2yAHQPweSV/ CacAr09NC/NMq6lrtlMyJV4zlPLbOBSMSA2Xg= Received: by 10.220.60.140 with SMTP id p12mr287544vch.28.1270302281488; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.85 with SMTP id o21ls799417vck.0.p; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.4.37 with SMTP id 37mr873620vcp.16.1270302280433; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.4.37 with SMTP id 37mr873618vcp.16.1270302280180; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.221.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si24791704vws.3.2010.04.03.06.44.39; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.178; Received: by mail-qy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 8so794253qyk.4 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.67 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BB73F28.1090701@gmail.com> References: <4BB6928D.7000307@gmail.com> <4BB73F28.1090701@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:44:38 -0300 Received: by 10.229.213.77 with SMTP id gv13mr5789218qcb.63.1270302278757; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Open approach (was "cultural fu'ivla") From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/ddb610b9695dff92 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/188a999af874d9c8 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Leo Molas wrote: >> >> AR -> gugde'aru >> US -> gugde'usu >> AO -> gugde'a'o >> LU -> gugdelu'u >> RW -> gugderuve >> CL -> gugdeculu >> SE (Sweden) -> gugdesu'e > > Thanks xorxes in correcting it :) but I have a doubt: why {gugdelu'u} > for example, doesn't break down? Because "gd" is not a valid initial, so "gu gdelu'u" is not possible. There is no other possibility. The only stressed syllable is LU, and it contains a consonant cluster, so it is a brivla, and since it is not a lujvo form, it is a valid fu'ivla form. If it was "gugde lu'u" it would have the stress on GUG, stress is very important to determine brivla. > I have to admit that the method doesn't give us a beautiful result > (neither a resembling one), and I even didn't like at all at first, but > it's the plainest, it can live among other methods easily, and doesn't > need too much work (if I, or whoever, make a program for it). What do > you (jbopre) think? It's even simpler than the method for languages, because it uses the same prefix for all cases. The resulting forms, with four syllables, are not too long, and (unlike type-3 fu'ivla) they do sound like ordinary lojban words. It's true that they don't resemble the name of the country, but the code is fairly transparent. I have to say I didn't like the idea of using the ISO-codes to form fu'ivla at first, but now I think it's not such a bad idea at all, as long as the method used is simple and transparent. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.