From 3wKG3SwoJBmUOHRV.PRODVJPDLO.FRPORMEDQJRRJOHJURXSV.FRP@groups.bounces.google.com Sat Apr 03 13:15:23 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3wKG3SwoJBmUOHRV.PRODVJPDLO.FRPORMEDQJRRJOHJURXSV.FRP@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Ny9kS-0002dP-DH for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:15:23 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf4249870gxk.4 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=7ePNqGfuPrMIPy0NXSN4M1CdKN+WX1MvD+yaiTE9SMk=; b=YQ0O/zVmTt1pg1jJryJXU69DmCWUxXuKv9+rG8WtGou7hir3HyhZcq+mvDaUwINqRH sD9WfMTDxOhrT2bv4WRMFPkeRdlX2KwnDZoHz36OX94m7BDmZQxL4BKvCoDipUU2rCwW 9dQtoV6iSmMNSW4d+0r99RIlRrG+cXFAFl1E8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; b=S3c5Iqzy3qvHN+mZBaxKPQaOVIwgmIYpnLoOfEwo1LU+r+SCn7/V88zjw7Ff2MD9JB DRnbaP2u/drVHi4m12ISxhWmpEme0lfRZvr3TxZ/y/4Fu4H4XtTrAYjYiA7cVqydiMdT 2O1zDTlNWSf8o97trwR1l5KrNU0NGlMhdnRl4= Received: by 10.150.250.5 with SMTP id x5mr179623ybh.58.1270325696006; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.216.14 with SMTP id o14ls43466agg.5.p; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.11.27 with SMTP id o27mr5806120agi.0.1270325693909; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.11.27 with SMTP id o27mr5806116agi.0.1270325693602; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f200.google.com (mail-yw0-f200.google.com [209.85.211.200]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si972687ywh.9.2010.04.03.13.14.52; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of leos.molas@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.200; Received: by ywh38 with SMTP id 38so147298ywh.29 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.145.15 with SMTP id x15mr9127206ann.108.1270325692367; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [190.1.47.188] ([190.1.47.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2809005ywe.37.2010.04.03.13.14.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BB7A1C5.3070603@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:15:01 -0300 From: Leo Molas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100228 SUSE/3.0.3-1.1.1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: language codes was: So what do we say for Swedish? References: <201004021737.04235.phma@phma.optus.nu> <6a01dfb4-598f-459d-a50b-e20cff30511c@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <6a01dfb4-598f-459d-a50b-e20cff30511c@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig621E39935DCE81B3E0F524A5" X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of leos.molas@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=leos.molas@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: leos.molas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/dda93924f85d6d7b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig621E39935DCE81B3E0F524A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/03/2010 04:16 PM, symuyn wrote: > Small questions: >=20 > 1. For language fu'ivla, which part of ISO 639 is being used: 639-2 > or 639-3? (I prefer 639-3, since it's basically the same as 639-2 > except more robust.) As chris said, we were always using iso 639-3 >=20 > 2. For country fu'ivla, why would using ISO 3166-2 (three-letter=20 > codes) be worse than 3166-1 (two-letter codes)? The three-letter=20 > codes: A. Resemble their autonyms more B. Are more future-robust C. > Would have the same algorithm as the languages, except for the n/ g > exception (I think). I didn't found iso 3166-2 as a three letter code. What I found is a variable letter code with two places, one for the 3166-1 code, and another one for territories of that country. It even has alpha-numeric codes... so, it's complicated. Quote from the page: > ISO 3166-2 contains a complete breakdown into a relevant level of > administrative subdivisions of all countries listed in ISO 3166-1. > The code elements used consist of the alpha-2 code element from ISO > 3166-1 followed by a separator and a further string of up to three > alphanumeric characters e. g. >=20 > DK-025 for the Danish county Roskilde=20 > IT-MI for the Italian province of Milano=20 > MG-T for the Antananarivo province in Madagascar http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/background_on_iso_3166/iso_3166-2.ht= m Right now, there are 676 (26 ^ 2) possibilities for countries, and 246 used codes. I think it's future robust as it is. mu'o mi'e .leos. >=20 > On Apr 3, 8:45 am, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Oren wrote: >>> can we have a pseudocode version of the algorithm, or something >>> similar? >>=20 >> For countries: >>=20 >> VV -> gugde'V'V VC -> gugde'VCu CV -> gugdeCu'V CC -> gugdeCuCu >>=20 >> Codes with "h", "q", "w", "y" use "xe", "ke", "ve", "je" instead >> of "xu", "ku", "vu", "ju". >>=20 >> For languages: >>=20 >> VVV -> bangV'V'V VVC -> bangV'V'Cu VCV -> bangVCu'V VCC -> >> bangVCuCu >>=20 >> CVV -> banCu'V'V CVC -> banCu'VCu CCV -> banCuCu'V CCC -> >> banCuCuCu >>=20 >> special case: codes that start with "n" or "g": >>=20 >> (n|g)VV -> baur(n|g)u'V'V (n|g)VC -> baur(n|g)u'VCu (n|g)CV -> >> baur(n|g)uCu'V (n|g)CC -> baur(n|g)uCuCu >>=20 >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >=20 --------------enig621E39935DCE81B3E0F524A5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLt6HKAAoJEGPqAjdF26uEgAYH/RgrYRyFUntH28x9Cvo1NwCN Jz8CG19qq+t+Xw4WVIWs3ScLlmphPet0b/PK3Md7ZXqgoL/A2xkpuM/EWIhP80Fx 9x18Ndo/boknJJF9uzRFwaJ2GH/S5pgknO1qNZBpBkMFFNJoUghlODsz5dMFTi7k FS9fgaGJcrDnCObuKqK34hgIRdgWrnqrlA/SwKpHy+q45UNh91BalOSO895LQ4Iq 52T/upVCsAzWJW+le+1HUkVOA/U7cCOzYUkum/idtR07eP5a/l7druOqIfIOrgLD sDzTOkByCjtnANJiTZOpzuG1/bCDeGP4TYC88gdQz2ZEt0O5T+P4t+ym1rhbDqE= =jT7r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig621E39935DCE81B3E0F524A5--