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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/ecf35a12266cabe2 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:16 PM, symuyn wrote: > > 2. For country fu'ivla, why would using ISO 3166-2 (three-letter > codes) be worse than 3166-1 (two-letter codes)? The three-letter > codes: > =A0A. Resemble their autonyms more > =A0B. Are more future-robust > =A0C. Would have the same algorithm as the languages, except for the n/ > g exception (I think). In addition to what Leo said, a three letter code could not use quite the same algorithm for countries, because of the pecularities of the gismu "bangu" and "gugde". For codes that begin with a vowel, a bang- or gugd- prefix are equally usab= le. For codes that begin with a consonant however, ban- is much more effective than gug-, for two reasons: any consonant except "n" can follow "n", and "nC" is never a permissible initial. After "gug-" a much more limited set of consonants can follow, and also "gr" and "gl" are permissible initials, which will cause the leading "gu" to fall off in most cases. e.g. gugru'usu -> gu gru'usu. Another advantage that "bangu" has is its "bau" rafsi, which allows us to use "baur-" as a meaningful prefix when the code starts with "n" or "g".. For gugde we can use "gu'er-" too, but that means adding one syllable, and also it would not be just for two consonants but for c, d, f, g, h, k, l, p, q, r, s, t, x, and we would even have to make an exception to the exceptions and use "gu'en-" when the code starts with "r". So, a lot more "exceptional" cases (in fact more than the non-exceptional ones: b, j, m, n, v, w, y, z). We were quite lucky with "bangu" and its two rafsi. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.