From 3Ape6SwYHBp8JOQDHCL9B.BNLKNIA9MFNNFKDFQNTOR.BNL@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Apr 05 19:06:19 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Ape6SwYHBp8JOQDHCL9B.BNLKNIA9MFNNFKDFQNTOR.BNL@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NyyBD-00049d-1N for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:06:19 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf5313958gxk.4 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:06:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KDYZBocdCYzSiXwQgYR18612fTFCKhc62a9j/uX/Lxk=; b=pghjbCLrxukzhUh8txQp29UCEyOJ2TkU9i3A/7WsN5/E5zPxs2GM+n7ihZTRwEz/qB amUWy+t+mVXUdVB34XXsWz063F6RVZlUUhAWr6fGyJ9UNw64iRHt9CA1+W4A57Vy6ZKo Ah+DZMbZpyskTVU9r8nEnhAaFDwLlPXUF6Wzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WWQq+d6IdB2N4Ivr3uzWEt01oGUPdRFv0OIrbUizMZReJhJYeCrKZE0wKGV0M08t5E 3zbkVHRhy9sjgM31q2foHVTQeM2Xt+8mkjYH7kyMS7WTTW5xRJOOjbrV0Qwutq/k5IL8 xNBLETpk7OYCFsKxAx0RmhUfG37MJjpoQhsOk= Received: by 10.150.172.14 with SMTP id u14mr273257ybe.63.1270519554276; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.204.223 with SMTP id fn31ls978053ibb.1.p; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.162.14 with SMTP id t14mr405659ibx.24.1270519551960; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.162.14 with SMTP id t14mr405658ibx.24.1270519551911; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kcout01.prserv.net (kcout01.prserv.net [12.154.55.31]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si1860976iwn.13.2010.04.05.19.05.51; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning kpreid@mac.com does not designate 12.154.55.31 as permitted sender) client-ip=12.154.55.31; Received: from 216-171-189-244.northland.net ([216.171.189.244]) by prserv.net (kcout01) with SMTP id <2010040602055120100ap0gje> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:05:51 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.171.189.244] Message-Id: From: Kevin Reid To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban] The proposed 'goals' of lojban Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:05:47 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning kpreid@mac.com does not designate 12.154.55.31 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kpreid@mac.com X-Original-Sender: kpreid@mac.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/8c345f62e9f946ce X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e0ba32562d0e359f Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 5, 2010, at 20:56, =E7=99=BD=E6=9D=BE Oren wrote: > Mission: Full expressive freedom: Any meaning expressed in a natural > language can be expressed in Lojban, and at any desired level of > ambiguity or precision. We are not interested in supporting ambiguity. We are interested in =20 supporting vagueness. (Ambiguity is discrete; vagueness is continuous. Ambiguity means the =20 listener has to choose among distinct and possibly very dissimilar =20 meanings; vagueness means the listener gets a broad but contiguous =20 cluster. Ambiguity, if possible in the language, has to be fixed by =20 rewriting; vagueness can be fixed by adding elements.) --=20 Kevin Reid --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.