From 3A5y6SwoJBqUXZTRNHMWNXLRFNQ.HTRQTOGFSLTTLQJLWTZUX.HTR@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Apr 05 19:27:40 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f141.google.com ([209.85.210.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3A5y6SwoJBqUXZTRNHMWNXLRFNQ.HTRQTOGFSLTTLQJLWTZUX.HTR@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NyyVs-0005D2-1z for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:40 -0700 Received: by yxe5 with SMTP id 5sf843474yxe.2 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3ZwXs73QRJg/oysgEVtMFAIcKLJepS83o9xkpsI1NJQ=; b=0DVPSUYGbOKizxrcbID9HjsOLvxWHzkNXg7bz5u3HjJE/coKpOZqis9k6cFqR53COl VR5+XtUeNjDNXXWjKsK8IfeO/BeMMKXoYnmvK8h4gp9k1rWSB9n/vxrvnD8tK+HFzHhC WfimOnLwfJzuvy6GuSRvKgbBUoumhAYF1Z7G0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=OZwihBWKMBWKKKgbqtzazeoFCVgp/ATHMwYc8TZc9HYsC3ioiuGbrbi/zRhm9EliTo aahZN6UgMXlUjTWp0/AGEjPqVrvkMHklOyt4RtAzSDYIEYwu8DsZXpFJrnorhxX2S6RI nG+LJfCzKboXhyhNgfSKEI2GV/pd7vqDmtsF8= Received: by 10.90.62.19 with SMTP id k19mr360453aga.25.1270520835347; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.93.10 with SMTP id v10ls930937agl.3.p; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.11.27 with SMTP id o27mr3361846agi.0.1270520834497; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.11.27 with SMTP id o27mr3361844agi.0.1270520834435; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si448455yxe.10.2010.04.05.19.27.13; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.218 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.218; Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so3250982gxk.10 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:27:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100405213127.GA20699@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:27:12 -0700 Received: by 10.100.224.10 with SMTP id w10mr11110585ang.183.1270520833170; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] [lojban-beginners] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. From: Christopher Doty To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.218 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b0bfdb6469cf6199 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I, too, somewhat disagree with the question... If Lojban is indeed intended to be "logical," then I am hard-pressed to understand how, if improvement is apparent, one would disagree with said improvement. =A0It seems a more basic question, one to ask before this one, would be "Do you believe that Lojban could be improved if any number of changes were implemented?" And perhaps, also, "Would the benefits of these improvements outweigh the the possible issues (relearning, back-compatibility, etc.)?" Having said that, though, I think that the general sentiment of the essay is sound: Lojban should, absolutely, be controlled by a central authority. =A0Letting the language grow on it's own means that it will, if widely picked up, fracture into a bunch of dialects--consider the issue of naming languages which is currently being discussed on the list. =A0Although it might seem minor to some, it is pretty essential to have clear names for all of the languages from my point of view. =A0If Lojban is ever to be adopted internationally as a means of communication, how exactly would that work if people are making up words on an ad hoc basis, as was suggested earlier? Consider an example: because Lojban provides clear predicate places for gismu, I think it would be great to use in glossing basic terms from a bunch of languages for cross-comparison and, by extension, as a medium for publishing scholarship about languages--except that, if everyone is making up names of languages as they go along, how the hell am I supposed to find papers on the languages I am interested in? As in currently stands, there are a bunch of languages that have multiple names, usually with some older and some newer. It is really terrible to have to do multiple searches and weed out duplicates. What if everyone was just made up names for the elements?? What would that look like?? Chris On Monday, April 5, 2010, Oren wrote: > "I disagree with the survey statement. > > I agree with your essay in its entirety. Thank you so much for it. > > -Eppcott" > > .i mi cu tugni la'oi Eppcott .i ni'o co'o mi'e korbi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.