From 3vKO6SwsJBmYPYOIEFIVKIRKQEMP.GSQPSNFERKSSKPIKVSYTW.GSQ@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Apr 05 20:00:38 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3vKO6SwsJBmYPYOIEFIVKIRKQEMP.GSQPSNFERKSSKPIKVSYTW.GSQ@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nyz1l-0007EP-7L for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:38 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf9336075qyk.1 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=og7gjm46cTzW6GujiDezHNW4To7AyH6cRyqtRcAF09Q=; b=RiBHeYieUBEYmfd2a1W8ykxCOz1I12I88jm0ZBIa5vop4bLBsQnJupiqTGexdg+9s8 PW+XhB5ig7sQqTlmNddcQ2bBV830zN2oaV3wAEJYKrFl2IMy5sql87Pw+hjUgv67odgD cjvVki9U4Pn/I/Rl8UrFotrGOA8ybAuX0eT78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=4uWJffxypv5mQZCGa29/SFXhGChmnlJDGEqBYs8/Y4XviDtWZTTUDa6O86gukmqgeh 1+VfdStQ18SJsd3TQgST2IxSBgqxLbyNiIEuL2eOI03VP8MK6K4DwJqkljU3dz7zQgfm r/G6XDmQixi8hcPMlJTfVmL32EztL1uC3vDWE= Received: by 10.224.85.194 with SMTP id p2mr261854qal.7.1270522812148; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.41.66 with SMTP id n2ls1367584qae.3.p; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.114.71 with SMTP id d7mr624778qaq.24.1270522810698; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.114.71 with SMTP id d7mr624777qaq.24.1270522810644; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com (mail-vw0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si1576717qyk.9.2010.04.05.20.00.09; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3so2098414vws.39 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.167.140 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:00:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:00:09 -0400 Received: by 10.220.107.13 with SMTP id z13mr2991845vco.190.1270522809183; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e93bb808dcf04a99 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636137b51b87a3d048388a4f1 --001636137b51b87a3d048388a4f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Re-sending to main list. For some reason my first reply went straight to RLPowell only. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Disagree, I guess. Everything in the essay made sense to me, so . > > Your question doesn't seem to me like it's asking if we like "option 1" or > "option 2" from your essay. Could you clarify? (I like option 2). > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> FOLLOWUPS TO: The main list. >> >> OK, been promising it for a while; here it is. >> >> >> http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban%3A+You're+Doing+It+Wrong >> >> There are all *sorts* of finicky details we could discuss, but right >> now I and others would very much just like to get a sense of where >> the community stands on these sorts of issues, so, if we could >> *please* keep the discussion for now (1) on the main list and (2) >> agree/disagree answer to the following question, after you've read >> (as much as you wish to) of the essay: >> >> I would like Lojban to remain as close as it possibly can to its >> current state, regardless of whether I or a group of experienced >> Lojbanists see that improvements could be made. >> >> Agree or disagree? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> >> -- >> The mail came from the "Lojban Announcements" Google Group. You are >> probably not subscribed to that group directly. All mails to this group are >> forwarded to all major Lojban groups. See >> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojbanic+Forums for details about what this >> list is for, including how to contact the management. >> >> To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636137b51b87a3d048388a4f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re-sending to main list. =A0For some reason my first reply went straight to= RLPowell only.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:= 35 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Disagree, I guess. =A0Everything in the ess= ay made sense to me, so <that>.

Your question does= n't seem to me like it's asking if we like "option 1" or = "option 2" from your essay. =A0Could you clarify?=A0(I like optio= n 2).

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Robin L= ee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
=
FOLLOWUPS TO: The main list.

OK, been promising it for a while; here it is.

http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php= ?page=3DLojban%3A+You're+Doing+It+Wrong

There are all *sorts* of finicky details we could discuss, but right
now I and others would very much just like to get a sense of where
the community stands on these sorts of issues, so, if we could
*please* keep the discussion for now (1) on the main list and (2)
agree/disagree answer to the following question, after you've read
(as much as you wish to) of the essay:

=A0I would like Lojban to remain as close as it possibly can to its
=A0current state, regardless of whether I or a group of experienced
=A0Lojbanists see that improvements could be made.

Agree or disagree?

Thanks.

-Robin

--
They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons.&= quot;
And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for some= thing
other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http= ://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/

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