From 3UkC8Sw8JBpoGC6B48F.8P8LMIHAG4CF.6IGFID54HAIIAF8ALIOJM.6IG@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 01:21:39 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3UkC8Sw8JBpoGC6B48F.8P8LMIHAG4CF.6IGFID54HAIIAF8ALIOJM.6IG@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzQVz-0003qZ-Fn for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:21:39 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf373435gyd.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:subject :mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to :x-mailer:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xslsQUPSIwcaZ4hcoAcBbj4066ooLjrNzlBjcZw9VvU=; b=YX0f/gaZN3BpBltipMQujhjkz5C1BF9G0PqEPsGZi5frOFRFt1sfkRk4aeBfZVETlO PCNgD+xHEwAm0A39hU58T4bz9uM8nwF6Ve/xfJmPpJO4+m717NG1QtH6aaDqPGWl/Bs5 08GS5IwuobVLPxgUXUXOnvC7Nhz52BhYKA3iA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=UN6tSsI4Mt09ezTa6pc9U3NXTgXn9fwQy46F2Ch+k59A+xWnCy4MwwU5opm/66/GaQ 5nius0LfEhFEt/vlPaPEV2jQl4IBNE3CJfxoFjTpeeS7/lBcd2BwwSZv9BUpnXiM10Z4 feJdcboD2IZhSHhWc7RSNr1H0h2h5XAyBhKjo= Received: by 10.91.121.20 with SMTP id y20mr626032agm.53.1270628435292; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.2.77 with SMTP id 13ls939396ebi.0.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.107.8 with SMTP id z8mr800387ebo.9.1270628433011; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.107.8 with SMTP id z8mr800386ebo.9.1270628432983; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f225.google.com (mail-ew0-f225.google.com [209.85.219.225]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si953490ewy.7.2010.04.07.01.20.31; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.225 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.225; Received: by mail-ew0-f225.google.com with SMTP id 25so395705ewy.27 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.43.14 with SMTP id u14mr1660849ebe.51.1270628431842; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (murrisk2.westnet.ie [88.81.100.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm29995052gve.0.2010.04.07.01.20.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Massive irony (Everson, please read) (was Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <20100407060016.GB9239@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:20:29 +0100 Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org Message-Id: References: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407060016.GB9239@digitalkingdom.org> To: lojban X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/11b07957f4e1e945 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/930e935e37d2a4a4 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7 Apr 2010, at 07:00, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > This dovetailed with a nagging feeling I had been having that I was sticking to the way I was used to things because I'm used to them. Which is *always* the reaction when it comes to questions of orthographic change. (Nota bene: I did not say "orthographic reform". Reform is what happens if people take up change.) > So, ironically, working on this made me much more receptive to Everson's plans. > > I *still* think ". I" looks like cat barf, but I think that's just me being conservative, so I'm going to be less of a dick about it. Remember, in the "standard typography" version "." and "I" are unrelated. The glottal/pause is inherent in initial vowels and words following "la"; the full stop is just the sentence-ending blort. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.