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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <0014852d325d4f68180483a09bbd@google.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:42:12 +0100 Message-Id: <36CEEED1-6104-4AD4-A64A-F58592CCBA56@gmail.com> References: <0014852d325d4f68180483a09bbd@google.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.78.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6d4e31b897cbe4b1 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d6d47161de07f620 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7 Apr 2010, at 08:35, GFBeresford@gmail.com wrote: > Does anyone know if lojban texts have statistically more/less syllables than their english/natural language equivalents? I suppose to be truly fair, those stats might need to include texts composed in lojban and then translated into english as well... Alice's Adventures in Wonderland: Lojban (raw text taken from PDF, table of contents removed, no punctuation) 31,727 words 112,238 characters (no spaces) 144,018 characters (with spaces) English (table of contents removed, normal punctuation) 26,519 words 115,922 characters (no spaces) 141,867 characters (with spaces) Irish (table of contents removed, normal punctuation) 30,498 words 132,311 characters (no spaces) 162,173 characters (with spaces) I leave it for the numerate to determine whether this data is of any use in terms of the question. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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