From 3Htm0SwAABvckniaZmfnnfkdfqntor.bnl@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 10:34:47 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Htm0SwAABvckniaZmfnnfkdfqntor.bnl@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxOHz-0004tk-0r for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:34:47 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf1076986gyd.16 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:34:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from :to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=q2JkP4OLbXaDDNYZsqMxPmJQqES4qb6Mm7OFJI5Vc7Q=; b=1jJA+6iVN5d+C4uotZdvU3dtXiLZl/wTdxGzCTeE1BrUnzVJATsGSnP1KFT5ZtiYZ4 DHUyFnuy4Xd+4/haqALe+rOH+PSKKu8lXcrV3w70wSCbrH9mimsOMdxRrY1J0dcPtjF3 S1FURwcMajoY45Ytm9+F+HqEw6c4yov71dqYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=jLTr23Qf5/D9FHaAPNTm21KnnZYB9EINWa2mw/9rt2G0AHlrorWoeOyHWp1bpezpWn KFzstN5d8wWTcBoEpnG+j8iurh3UR6Uks6FPiaiwuuYaY45IAJafGR37BLgJoVvEydBY rg4ZKs4P7fd1OYU3mXdFJtwm5vKmLHjk9MbOQ= Received: by 10.91.59.20 with SMTP id m20mr198806agk.10.1270143262268; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.87.76.6 with SMTP id d6ls291859fgl.2.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.87.72.12 with SMTP id z12mr103225fgk.19.1270143260282; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.129 with SMTP id z1mr75154fab.12.1270143020263; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.25.129 with SMTP id z1mr75153fab.12.1270143020236; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si639583fxm.14.2010.04.01.10.30.19; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felix.duesenburg@googlemail.com designates 209.85.220.210 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.210; Received: by mail-fx0-f210.google.com with SMTP id 2so1064055fxm.30 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.143.88 with SMTP id t24mr926863fau.77.1270143019116; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from User-PC (f051197107.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.51.197.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm18307468fkh.55.2010.04.01.10.30.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:28:47 +0200 From: Felix To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography Message-Id: <20100401192847.6a348cc1.felix.duesenburg@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.1 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felix.duesenburg@googlemail.com designates 209.85.220.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felix.duesenburg@googlemail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@googlemail.com X-Original-Sender: felix.duesenburg@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/11b07957f4e1e945 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/aeab840e5c73d2a3 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What if the community decides to ignore the date this proposal was written and goes along with it, maybe except #5 :) muho mihe FelikS On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:52:52 -0700 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Pursuant to the recent discussion, the BPFK has been meeting to > decide what to do about declaring a very specific, offical Lojban > orthography that includes the best of various proposals extant, a > standard of marking stress that everyone can agree on, and the > flexibility to deal with alternative modes of typography in Latin > script. > > To that end, we've settled on the following general principles. See > below for a specific example (using the Alice translation, > naturally). > > 1. It has always been a founding principle of Lojban that it should > be easy to use with computers (this is what the ASCII convention was > about). Taking this further leads to two minor changes: > > a. A new set of letters for marking stress has been chosen, that > is at least as easy to use as capitals, but leaves capitals free > for other orthographic uses without conflict. For the most part, > these letters were taken from current standard internet practice, > however stressed "u" and "y" have no such standard, so they were > picked to resemble similar practice, but have no weight of long > use to back them up, unfortunately. > > b. The letter ' is now deprecated, since it routinely > upsets computers (try dealing with a file named "lo'i.mp3" in a > shell script some time). > > 2. While periods are preferred, it is always allowed to drop > periods, as before, but if you do so, it is preferred that you > replace the following letter with its capital form, to enhance > visual distinctiveness. For cases where a period has been dropped, > and the next letter is a stress letter, it's preferred to use both, > marking the text in some way to indicate that both are intended to > occupy the same space. Details of this markup are left to usage to > decide. > > 3. It is preferred to always mark stress, especially since we have > a much more convenient way to do so now; why leave out information > if you don't have to? This includes cmavo. > > 4. Compound cmavo are no longer allowed, at all. Their use will > result in several large men arriving at your house in an unmarked > black car. > > 5. For obvious reasons, using numerals for "p4", "r3", "c1", and so > on is deprecated. > > Here's an example of a not-totally-standard (because it drops > periods), but perfectly valid, text under the new proposal: > > p4 m0ho m0hi n1ha l3 r4ctu k3vna > ================================ > > N1ho l4 (4|A)lis c0ha t4tpi l3 n_ z_tse l3 r1rxe k0rbi r3ho l3 > m3nsi g1he z_kte f1 n0d4 (1|I) (4|A) b_ b01 p4 j1hi r3 r01 s_tra > zg4na g1he z_kte f1 n0 d4 (1|I) (4|A) b_ b01 s_ho r01 s_tra zg4na > l3 c_kta p01 l3 m3nsi c_ tc1du (1|I) k_hi c/ v4sru n0 p1xra j4 > nunc4snu (1|I) l_ j1ha m4 pr4li s31 l4 (4|A)lis p3nsi f1 l0 c_kta > p0i v4sru n0 p1xra j4 nunc4snu l1hu > > (1|I) (4|A) b_ c4ho m3nli jd1ce t0 s3 k41 l3 x4grai selk4he p3 > v4ho l3 n_ l3 gl4re dj3di c_ r1nka l3 n_ (4|A) b_ l1fri l3 n_ > s1pydji j3 b3bna t01 l3 d_hu x_ k4_ l3 n_ pl_ka f4 l3 n_ zb4su l0 > xr_la l1nsi c_ s3 v4mji l3 r4ktu p01 n_ sahirb1ho g1he cr3pu l31 > xr_la (1|I) c4 b0 s_ksa f4 l3 n_ l0 bl4bi r4ctu p01 xunbl4bi s3 > k4nla c_ b4jra z0ha (4|A) b_ > > You're welcome to talk amongst yourselves, of course, but this is > already a done deal; the BPFK has spoken, this is now official, and > the BPFK has a majority in the LLG, so you pretty much get to suck > it up. > > -Robin > > -- > OMFG am I not actually speaking for the BPFK here. Note the date. > No offense to anyone, including Everson and xorxes, is intended. > kthxbye > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.