From 37qy8SwkOBqMMERWLMODQJRRJOHPDLO.FRPORMEDQJRRJOHJURXSV.FRP@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 09:04:29 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <37qy8SwkOBqMMERWLMODQJRRJOHPDLO.FRPORMEDQJRRJOHJURXSV.FRP@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzXjn-0000qm-R6 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:04:29 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf588104gyd.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2wwmQpKGZNIixQb9NG5GafQbCpKyDVhl/ZNalLtjS6w=; b=HiNqnk/o2+xPaIy8xyeefCAYpqs6d7hNQdAX9wJGIJNIfE2njaqON1VGcXElWvsYIA HBqyh9KNDoi7AhvMnuEbAHSkpepPRr1+8aTTTb2NMnaP6tjFTGFofYwdgmSv5TdxBa7S YYW/pkgeVfV6olk2YWSQxui7SteUtDZj591Jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BMJrO2OfsugyNie2ng7AF152PSyy4I68a4TS7nNRCqbJr3O3E24LodzegRj+WwZXN8 vRCemw3oltG1RSAAJgBXX/mz3eP0Mzg72qSpf+i1faazbQ6/Cy+q7ez5gNhHr5rSclaY Enmij5RBtXeulspLr8jfUncuWVIPJvWv0+SQ8= Received: by 10.151.32.5 with SMTP id k5mr376198ybj.85.1270656238945; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.147.38 with SMTP id z38ls1370577ann.6.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.178.13 with SMTP id f13mr1619255anp.24.1270656236468; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.178.13 with SMTP id f13mr1619254anp.24.1270656236432; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f192.google.com (mail-gy0-f192.google.com [209.85.160.192]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si756649yxe.12.2010.04.07.09.03.56; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jbotijlan@googlemail.com designates 209.85.160.192 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.192; Received: by mail-gy0-f192.google.com with SMTP id 13so542346gyg.19 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 94.195.20.70 References: <201004062259.07334.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1045 Safari/532.5,gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.101.165.36 with SMTP id s36mr173758ano.41.1270656236137; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9b283693-0206-4695-8c21-eb871fc4b99e@g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: "any John" -- is it possible to translate this? From: tijlan To: lojban X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jbotijlan@googlemail.com designates 209.85.160.192 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jbotijlan@googlemail.com X-Original-Sender: jbotijlan@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/287899a54f24bd6a X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/4b094025800fd5a7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:46 AM, tijlan wrote: >> >> - ma cmene do >> - lo mintu po la djon >> - la djon po'u ma >> - ro da > > That would work with "ma po'u la djon" instead of "la djon po'u ma". > "po'u" is not symmetrical: > > ro da po'u la djon: Out of all things, the one(s) that are John. > > la djan po'u ro da: Out of all Johns, the one(s) that are everything. I was aware of "po'u" being not symmetrical. By "da" I meant a kind of place holder for that which would follow "la djon po'u", then "ro da" meaning any such, expandable to "ro da poi steci ke'a la'i djon". For example, "John the fast runner" would be "la djon po'u le sutra bajra", "John the good father" would be "la djon po'u le xamgu patfu". mu'o mi'e tijlan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.