From 3w7K8Sw4JBn4rcuecn.cmkjkmqiockn.eqonqldcpiqqingitqwru.eqo@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 09:37:27 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3w7K8Sw4JBn4rcuecn.cmkjkmqiockn.eqonqldcpiqqingitqwru.eqo@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzYFg-0003AC-D9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:27 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf2674299qyk.1 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:received:message-id:subject :from:to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5FuSf/5CzrFMNVzAmkMtW7Lu3u6CuBalcTKbGMDlcV4=; b=s5SvZ9N/IOTTKr27nRs/MYXmHTCURU7/FSUepiibIm41BISdGIKnFM9t6/Ytj7XTv8 jX/x5DiBIvOpiutYalukQOSbA3GKUcOaWikN65JckAJ169FE0rrDT94IBIk3i49M3+NK ukjtal0Dm8p9MQaKnnwsSQUlNZ9HwNhHvIokw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=uQcSnEyY/6OmCNxw2SRe/JORswGg9pfwNtazVjXnfUA3EdpSepRJ9zFrahVt4S4LdB TZygIs4gnYHz9iGIAW0kSDEr87odF2r9s3ruFvy1OkEjKZvaySsFlQr1gju7o5H+lyO5 /Tpi3DpQe0Z2uFTDJhDu/Xe1f+s89kPKOwk3Y= Received: by 10.224.115.28 with SMTP id g28mr365850qaq.20.1270657731428; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:28:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.59.82 with SMTP id k18ls1499860qah.5.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.79.218 with SMTP id q26mr913867qak.29.1270657729488; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr2180169vcy.2.1270650346969; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr2180168vcy.2.1270650346942; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.221.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si36187211vws.4.2010.04.07.07.25.45; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.180; Received: by mail-qy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 10so1222439qyk.26 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.45.20 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:25:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201004062259.07334.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 15:25:44 +0100 Received: by 10.229.222.82 with SMTP id if18mr14180359qcb.65.1270650345042; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "any John" -- is it possible to translate this? From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pascal.akihiko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/287899a54f24bd6a X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2267162dbda7cc62 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:46 AM, tijlan wrote: >> >> - ma cmene do >> - lo mintu po la djon >> - la djon po'u ma >> - ro da > > That would work with "ma po'u la djon" instead of "la djon po'u ma". > "po'u" is not symmetrical: > > ro da po'u la djon: Out of all things, the one(s) that are John. > > la djan po'u ro da: Out of all Johns, the one(s) that are everything. I was aware of "po'u" being not symmetrical. By "da" I meant a kind of place holder for that which would follow "la djon po'u", and "ro da" for any such, expandable to "ro da poi steci ke'a la'i djon". For example, "John the fast runner" would be "la djon po'u le sutra bajra", "John the good father" would be "la djon po'u le xamgu patfu". mu'o mi'e tijlan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.