From 3vrS8SwgSBnsqkonvdkkchfhsZkjhmfcnl.nqfkniaZmfnnfkdfqntor.bnl@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 09:37:45 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3vrS8SwgSBnsqkonvdkkchfhsZkjhmfcnl.nqfkniaZmfnnfkdfqntor.bnl@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzYG2-0003CI-P3 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:44 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf374508pwi.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=XczYdwC3m/6G+w21v5tKKeZ/Rq3vzi5p6ai2ZsKKRXA=; b=RA3sK+WGykRFxsdzR4FHYCUuUqM/epCpHKTULIR/6Yh8m+Vu2F2JrYtFwqQS+v1U23 2EbtuqtRDuRPYF728zloTN07knbq087i5P/HgQEIUQWUE9vUZ1FBI4DXp7gaezqlD7rw q8Tf/uDuTGcP13EV0VGIeMaTfXFsJ5QzkgPf8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=lgWJsG+BGXqMvVErPlJXHPcGldVi7QxtfiI2/qsoEODB6Mr0q57CNJeFxyIOmA72Ir ooTeXTA6L7tpkYyTwWLE1AjUj3WTtBWgz4KBIV6YUQtkkyv7bW6raeuzOfx1T3SnEnr2 jOTmTV8WWqlZOdIKHMVAjqI/GDMYRR9yzfFZc= Received: by 10.142.249.30 with SMTP id w30mr327384wfh.10.1270658238294; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.250.36 with SMTP id x36ls1544468wfh.2.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.47.8 with SMTP id z8mr1396226wfj.11.1270658235270; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.47.8 with SMTP id z8mr1396224wfj.11.1270658234873; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si3065656pzk.0.2010.04.07.09.37.14; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.3; Received: (qmail 11357 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2010 16:37:14 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Apr 2010 16:37:14 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NzYFc-0003AP-DI for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:37:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:37:12 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Massive irony (Everson, please read) (was Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography) Message-ID: <20100407163712.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407060016.GB9239@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/11b07957f4e1e945 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/91d5f59c09812781 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:20:29AM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 7 Apr 2010, at 07:00, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > So, ironically, working on this made me much more receptive to > > Everson's plans. > > > > I *still* think ". I" looks like cat barf, but I think that's > > just me being conservative, so I'm going to be less of a dick > > about it. > > Remember, in the "standard typography" version "." and "I" are > unrelated. The glottal/pause is inherent in initial vowels and > words following "la"; the full stop is just the sentence-ending > blort. No, it isn't; the "." is there *because of the "i". They are, conceptually, directly attached to each other, so they should be visually attached too. If there was no "i", there would be no ".". Lojban does not require a full stop (if that's linguistically different than a pause, which it seems to be?) anywhere, including at the end of sentences. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.