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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/287899a54f24bd6a X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f7505538446f219e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:25 AM, tijlan wrote: >>> - la djon po'u ma >>> - ro da > > I was aware of "po'u" being not symmetrical. By "da" I meant a kind of > place holder for that which would follow "la djon po'u", and "ro da" > for any such, expandable to "ro da poi steci ke'a la'i djon". =A0For > example, "John the fast runner" would be "la djon po'u le sutra > bajra", "John the good father" would be "la djon po'u le xamgu patfu". But unless "the fast runner" and "the good father" are the same John, you want "ro" to be outside the scope of "po'u". ro da zo'u la djon po'u da cu broda is different from la djon po'u ro da cu broda In a more expamded form, the first one is: ro da zo'u la djon poi ke'a du da cu broda and the second is: la djon poi ro da zo'u ke'a du da cu broda mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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