From 3ILa8SwoJBt4SUOMICHRISGMAIL.COMLOJBANGOOGLEGROUPS.COM@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 09:43:52 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3ILa8SwoJBt4SUOMICHRISGMAIL.COMLOJBANGOOGLEGROUPS.COM@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzYLl-0003l9-L0 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:51 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf1120438vws.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+oiQHFvVboyJoVSaA+PG8IwvZ8H8f8xH6FCPz9LlJ3A=; b=VHQ/VKIjtVP7X2JI1l2pbr/zF788w1jBVE3eUkGN8lgDtzbpsgNM8HDynJARhPw9GZ wzNDOPtfczjOiJP4YiK4BDFc7UqSjRALPlW359J+wZNQPTfgfHmEatZIRTWrloMpY+g5 a7z7KM7d3nKc7A7gywtrvyhmYhODGhTxWLHHU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bitZd79Y1rO/vOHXtY9M4fXgix1vqnfaIBPyI+5efVv227ea5lDy2L+8y+9LpnATT4 bKVneNtR9QxqNFDmstVVf5mjDTZEpo4rgCqgcWHO86xWQTS65d8efnFVf9Bz5z/dU653 rSvYrywrnSEDyuLjaNelmEnsQ3R+aSpCrmPcs= Received: by 10.220.107.86 with SMTP id a22mr645627vcp.9.1270658592835; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls1728114vcf.5.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr2260911vcy.12.1270658590935; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr2260910vcy.12.1270658590915; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com (mail-yx0-f203.google.com [209.85.210.203]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si36485745vws.3.2010.04.07.09.43.09; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.203 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.203; Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so1182644yxe.14 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100407163712.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407060016.GB9239@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407163712.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:43:06 -0700 Received: by 10.101.135.2 with SMTP id m2mr8891394ann.95.1270658586323; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Massive irony (Everson, please read) (was Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography) From: Christopher Doty To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.203 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/11b07957f4e1e945 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c0ce61b58140d475 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was not my understanding at all--I thought that, like English, all vowel-initial words in Lojban are required to start with a glottal stop, but, because it is predictable, it isn't required to be written. Is that not the case? Chris On Wednesday, April 7, 2010, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:20:29AM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: >> On 7 Apr 2010, at 07:00, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >> > So, ironically, working on this made me much more receptive to >> > Everson's plans. >> > >> > I *still* think ". I" looks like cat barf, but I think that's >> > just me being conservative, so I'm going to be less of a dick >> > about it. >> >> Remember, in the "standard typography" version "." and "I" are >> unrelated. The glottal/pause is inherent in initial vowels and >> words following "la"; the full stop is just the sentence-ending >> blort. > > No, it isn't; the "." is there *because of the "i". =A0They are, > conceptually, directly attached to each other, so they should be > visually attached too. =A0If there was no "i", there would be no ".". > > Lojban does not require a full stop (if that's linguistically > different than a pause, which it seems to be?) anywhere, including > at the end of sentences. > > -Robin > > -- > They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for something > other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cd= iz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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