From 3QcC8Sw8JBgowsmrkov.o5o12yxqwksv.mywvytlkxqyyqvoq1y4z2.myw@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 10:26:52 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3QcC8Sw8JBgowsmrkov.o5o12yxqwksv.mywvytlkxqyyqvoq1y4z2.myw@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzZ1b-0007XD-O5 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:52 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf619176gyd.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=oH1E870VARZJP1jXbmM4wGkcnzPG+i3lwa8oTgNdaMA=; b=pmLgyLOAiks48AuOpuy29yH8LN+0ONSQ7fJV8D0WmyGMDbAozz8T/SYaxIMencSLjz N4zhVWXpnZOhpxQxV9dTfwI7TLpO0BFPMp1gEkB0Rp2cE4h+ygfUO+QhTTJXtGd92Wyr NM3Bz1WiPpM7Apz+F8Y4uWUi9Qjg6zNof3h64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=wtErELmTEQFKiJ5PHAI1ELSYSVDBMO+ElwVU6k1TnPEUw3F4bpL1HXaFBRN0Tv1sHk 6l1AwRM9nCC4SQ8bpAboSjbE2X9quhd/jq6IbNbt8exaSNbvm9XJBEulZ0DyeY9Y5dLQ CyTb7wxlQd2EcQGOFrNmtwouv6cQTx55kwB0A= Received: by 10.90.19.14 with SMTP id 14mr734797ags.35.1270661185718; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.41.209 with SMTP id p17ls1041705ebe.1.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.48.139 with SMTP id r11mr911071ebf.15.1270661184012; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.48.139 with SMTP id r11mr911070ebf.15.1270661183982; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si1013850ewy.7.2010.04.07.10.26.22; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.211 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.211; Received: by mail-ew0-f211.google.com with SMTP id 3so542782ewy.6 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.40.210 with SMTP id l18mr4321104ebe.70.1270661182837; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (murrisk2.westnet.ie [88.81.100.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm836580ewy.10.2010.04.07.10.26.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Subject: Re: Massive irony (Everson, please read) (was Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography) From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <20100407163712.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 18:26:20 +0100 Message-Id: References: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407060016.GB9239@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407163712.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.211 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/11b07957f4e1e945 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/de3c8311cbed4ce6 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7 Apr 2010, at 17:37, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> Remember, in the "standard typography" version "." and "I" are >> unrelated. The glottal/pause is inherent in initial vowels and >> words following "la"; the full stop is just the sentence-ending >> blort. > > No, it isn't; the "." is there *because of the "i". Not in standard Latin typography. My source Lojban text has no dots at all... so my Latin-typeset version remains undotted in terms of marking the pause. > They are, conceptually, directly attached to each other, so they should be visually attached too. If there was no "i", there would be no ".". In standard Latin typography, they are attached in a certain way: The end of a sentence is marked with a full stop, separated by a space, followed by a new sentence beginning with a capital letter. If that is "attachment". > Lojban does not require a full stop (if that's linguistically different than a pause, which it seems to be?) anywhere, including at the end of sentences. I know that standard Lojban orthography does not make use of sentence- or clause-final punctuation. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.