From 3W8C8SwgSBiQRLPOWELLDIGITALKINGDOM.ORGLOJBANGOOGLEGROUPS.COM@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 10:27:21 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3W8C8SwgSBiQRLPOWELLDIGITALKINGDOM.ORGLOJBANGOOGLEGROUPS.COM@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzZ20-0007Z9-Da for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:27:21 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf387621pwi.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:27:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=J7jhLGr0cxmVkU71kMukrhxN/CCLl8NrPBgD0VAd6yA=; b=p7sh0P6KDx/sZJQE5/ZOgaQoPxvi/kGpji8RPp610JA0RLEPjU7wWASn1caRIQ9Fk3 URqHWIKGSGtch+FLfx2bQjDeQBBi08QNBNKzBo32NQ2g1p1arTqoqcgeOrZk7FM0XNBF 5gGpTqhT9S9mPr2p1Ft27aLqv4fLIlzKOU4Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=FUsxCOdOzE+zMZnB+jdU/YP3RYTxdF67zgIm2DpZJG0GPynwBMhQziz7fjFu/BW80c ZKp8zFrUjnCC5VY6eD42yUSKpgd0r5k8Q4XK/svHep6fkJTM6AVei6+uwPspbiDlg1oV VfKEMJ2KRoqAZf13vplgcrj9l9Uxp1bdUSAxY= Received: by 10.142.249.30 with SMTP id w30mr340179wfh.35.1270661211486; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.23 with SMTP id 23ls1546306wfb.3.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.8.41 with SMTP id 41mr1477644wfh.10.1270661209455; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.8.41 with SMTP id 41mr1477643wfh.10.1270661209426; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si874612pzk.11.2010.04.07.10.26.49; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.4; Received: (qmail 23840 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2010 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Apr 2010 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NzZ1c-0007Xj-6C for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:26:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:26:48 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Massive irony (Everson, please read) (was Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography) Message-ID: <20100407172648.GG11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100401165252.GK6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407060016.GB9239@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407163712.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407164905.GC11541@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/11b07957f4e1e945 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f9b648857f2406f0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 10:19:05AM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 09:49, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > What did I say that was different than that? > > > > All vowel-initial words in Lojban are required to start with a > > pause, which is often rendered as a glottal stop. It is not > > *required* in writing, but it is generally considered good style > > in writing for publication and such. Everson appeared to be > > asserting that the "." in ".i" was a sentence-ending pause, > > which simply isn't correct. > > Oh, I think I misunderstood/misread, and thought you were using > "full stop" to refer to a glottal stop, rather than the > orthographic form. You just meant that the writing of the full > stop was optional? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but writing of "." in Lojban is optional, but considered good style by most. Lojban has no "full stop" as distinct from "glottal stop" or "pause"; it just hase ".", which can be expressed as any of those. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.