From 33Mq8SwgSBq8PaPcedhihjcUadlTggXkTg.dgVadYQPcVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 11:12:08 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f139.google.com ([209.85.222.139]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <33Mq8SwgSBq8PaPcedhihjcUadlTggXkTg.dgVadYQPcVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzZjN-0002YH-Dv for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:12:07 -0700 Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3sf359504pzk.28 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bPI/kcRFr+nk+CgR1F3MTgYLILorOLXRPHs1ws0FYWM=; b=Z1eVQJSXxxcR795YzpZTCtq1IPuJ7jo4KOxUnGfAhCU4OCqoZgvmrZOyL34ynEUcDp 8syMAVY9iONE13E95ep/HgMK2fwrJbDtyXNsdd+kbxP4m5NaDuNP/0F6igNWkLht+jKT x6oG0HE7rMHbsGvUebS3vGPomTwQ6Cjg4P6lQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=RTUKmVBFz9KXHTP1BfqWX1bYFbWCELgunYvUFntucE4RVItnchmIBTWcyM7DxHZJ1c wJ1v0IGw/RtwZxKCv6OsG4FkjZCw8/swM3+cJ8QYq7XpA4JpCkmg3oOt00kLskze+v6b bOf3ljE4JkS705FIABC980VJf5MxKiJBeqYZ8= Received: by 10.141.12.7 with SMTP id p7mr618591rvi.6.1270663900637; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.22 with SMTP id q22ls2681162rvp.1.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.18 with SMTP id b18mr1453103rvn.29.1270663899093; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.136.7 with SMTP id o7mr1475506wfn.12.1270663112088; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.136.7 with SMTP id o7mr1475505wfn.12.1270663112052; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si872938pzk.15.2010.04.07.10.58.31; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.160.47; Received: by pwj5 with SMTP id 5so1144201pwj.6 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.64.21 with SMTP id r21mr8944734wak.23.1270663111692; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm22sm1094202ibb.23.2010.04.07.10.58.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:58:24 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Tangent the second: ASCII Message-ID: <20100407175824.GC597@alice.local> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/d319d5cadc183c24 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/736f732b2970fd9f Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 06:48:35PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 7 Apr 2010, at 18:45, Christopher Doty wrote: >=20 > > I'm wondering how closely tied people are to the idea that, if a hypoth= etical thing happened where Lojban got, say, tone, it should stick with ASC= II-only characters? >=20 > It already doesn't. People use the curly apostrophe for the apostrophe; i= t is outside of ASCII. Specifications discuss specifically the use of guill= emets; these are outside of ASCII. Specifications also discuss specifically= the use of =E1 =E9 =ED =F3 =FA for anomalous stress; these are outside of = ASCII. >=20 I'm undecided on this question, as I really benefit from dealing with ASCII, and in general prefer restricted character sets for the benefit of maximum interoperability. 5 years ago, I would have really opposed non-ASCII characters, whereas today I don't hold nearly so strong a view. I can surmise from this that my future self will more likely tend toward deciding to support non-ASCII characters. I'm particularly drawn to the aesthetic of =E1 =E9 =ED =F3 =FA to mark stre= ss, rather than capital letters. I like this because I'm more confortable with diacritic marks than I am with the idea of a letter having two distinct written forms. On that particular example alone I get interested in non-ASCII characters. So I would say I'm not particularly 'closely tied to the idea of Lojban sticking with ASCII-only characters.' -Alan --=20 te djuno lo do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.