From 33Mq8SwAABq8adYQPcVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 11:12:09 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <33Mq8SwAABq8adYQPcVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzZjN-0002YG-Dr for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:12:08 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf403605pwi.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:received :received:x-virus-scanned:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=iSKqacRreoJbIetrI89Z1QH6PFjar2xJMSLYB94T1qo=; b=K6VjCXHuXQy73irPipOFi6ow5nVM9IVIgmazGPVDB+piWqAQ7jMreqh3QK80SwoVtf Cs4kHMfEcqrJAeRhQ9UhT6eJfEbk/BTI3BJ0VCzHtTe6tV/ym8DNC0pARueUO2Vuc5SG QHPPWuWMHS1IRge5qegVyOqUsel3jCiTv7ykw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=WBlGJTXcPUyoU536s7u1IGthvbDpMjd1a1arA7LfGOIhcgXJcnYGfacWnVpG9s30n3 aCEoJYajDyyh4iaWM9xrsqYEXoBrA5aLJbbyIZq0d6GDKJy3bATxmj1jCSwONnxUO5wJ bLhOmKn0zpLJOwEzGOJ4r3PfguI7y60BS8Jy0= Received: by 10.141.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr609053rvi.0.1270663900654; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.53.13 with SMTP id f13ls924501rvk.3.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1451544rvi.25.1270663899351; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.85.6 with SMTP id n6mr1480118wfl.3.1270663845505; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.85.6 with SMTP id n6mr1480117wfl.3.1270663845419; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si3081190pzk.13.2010.04.07.11.10.45; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.7; Received: (qmail 13578 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2010 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Apr 2010 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NzZi6-0002Td-RT for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:10:43 -0700 Received: from mail.wybt.net ([195.191.196.3] helo=mail.wouldyoubuythis.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NzZhx-0002T3-4L for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:10:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C57748545 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:09:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EO45s6nSHghS for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:09:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.106] (p4FE4592F.dip.t-dialin.net [79.228.89.47]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47B5A484F8 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:09:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4BBCCA7D.4000000@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:10:05 +0200 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/98fb16100f90b744 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I would like Lojban to remain as close as it possibly can to its > current state, regardless of whether I or a group of experienced > Lojbanists see that improvements could be made. > > Agree or disagree? > I disagree with the statement. I, too, hope for Lojban to become awesome. I am very fine with changes like xorlo and the dotside, that cause small bits of relearning, but have tremendously good effects. I agree with most of the essay. I don't say "all", because I'ven't read it very carefully recently. > Thanks. > > -Robin No, I am the one who needs to be thanking *you*. - Timo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.