From 3PM-8SwwJBhQwBu20vxu72y506u25.w86583vu708805y0B8E9C.w86@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 11:30:47 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f160.google.com ([209.85.211.160]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3PM-8SwwJBhQwBu20vxu72y506u25.w86583vu708805y0B8E9C.w86@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nza1R-00045n-Vm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:46 -0700 Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32sf572050ywh.28 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ohiNuHAQ55GmvTtCT4IsqJH5UaTiTl1NKqZ58XyWF/Q=; b=qfxScD53SMobdUkcrZjMdYrV2ii0b+8E1xbK2ma18QOBCudGwOY1q39jaVmHV7PCLf LFHsLerVuQKVTQ4sl6VKVIHwtZo/EaXUfDZsCk/GkC3tNkNzC/XhEOPbn0nYR+y7tjde CvwCW2+zVeihYphad5W4dSijmsfrKrzQmVdbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=XTjAiXcyaDigyzwH1L80UAhMyuOONpilFcwbeClfUx1MGa9q5+1VVdLRmRcYJ4BLq0 ZjJuqB9rUQ76tBI+FIvr77bsPD4QGVc5b+BPokIO7BmxVYyLjlBN9D7HgyUqhUOLYUHE PVfNlU5NXVrSVhNcyFZDPB9bGJYhXFz+4DCDU= Received: by 10.101.139.31 with SMTP id r31mr251871ann.35.1270665020916; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls2752361bkd.1.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.48.214 with SMTP id s22mr471586bkf.26.1270665018346; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.48.214 with SMTP id s22mr471585bkf.26.1270665018319; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.147]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si16886905bkc.1.2010.04.07.11.30.16; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.147 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.92.147; Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so478400qwk.42 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.224.130 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100407175824.GC597@alice.local> References: <20100407175824.GC597@alice.local> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:30:15 -0400 Received: by 10.229.213.140 with SMTP id gw12mr14435215qcb.96.1270665015632; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Tangent the second: ASCII From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.147 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/d319d5cadc183c24 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3b77ffeb3cafef09 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Alan Post wro= te: > > I'm particularly drawn to the aesthetic of =E1 =E9 =ED =F3 =FA to mark st= ress, > rather than capital letters. =A0I like this because I'm more > confortable with diacritic marks than I am with the idea of a letter > having two distinct written forms. =A0On that particular example alone > I get interested in non-ASCII characters. I use stress marked by accents (when I must mark it at all, which is seldom) in handwriting. Am I correct in remembering that even in standard Lojban orthography it is not invalid to mark stress on only the vowel, rather than the consonants of the syllable as well? If so, I suggest that the two approaches can be merged harmoniously. All it takes is the creation of Lojbanic fonts wherein the accented vowels (and accented versions of the consonants able to be syllabic) are the "capital" forms. From the perspective of a computer, this means staying in the ASCII realm; it also means that although the font isn't the one you're used to using, the characters used within that font are the standard ones and you're not actually deviating from the ASCII orthography - just displaying it differently to anyone who happens to have the right font. For everyone who likes things to look the way they do with capitalization, they just don't install the font, and they see your (still correct) Lojban rendered the way they're used to. Anyone know how to use their favorite font editor? If so, hack up your favorite open-sourced font that's suitable for body text, distribute it, and because writing with that assumption doesn't actually break the standards (unless I'm wrong about the vowel thing, in which case you want to make the consonants have identical capital and lowercase forms for the same effect and then you'll have things break whenever you want to accent a syllabic consonant) it requires no validation from the LLG or the BPFK - just people installing a new font for reading Lojban in, and that only if they feel like it. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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