From 3Luq8SwsJBiEJQROKF7KPHVDJ7FI.9LJILG87KDLLDIBDOLRMP.9LJ@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 13:25:43 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f143.google.com ([209.85.222.143]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Luq8SwsJBiEJQROKF7KPHVDJ7FI.9LJILG87KDLLDIBDOLRMP.9LJ@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzboh-0001mE-To for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:43 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf453057pzk.26 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=bfsHYvN5ueldmuY4FyOt2F5+0TPgVqpZz0isVnAWi6Q=; b=G+BD4rTK20iv6/Na59dUa7MJEGUag0L3pJv1IhMcApQ/Mpi5UixSCe71N2rFK4/mFt wvRvHiflvPE2WUcjOlFrxJqTmA0cEe+/cRDedX7+wsA6yhkA0Yi6eEdqGxjvGdy3ao2K DELQecFQnkWtC6hT2sGhqXBQoSvne/B+8NQEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Aw3+dHHQA8/PD8N+/fMOyvn36xuNdfeW+HW527myOY4dQD16qrH/LeXIBj7YQWVYLi C3k7fmDmTj8rEBC3welam9vvyVIRyVWZ4vjYfI+PsB2wOgzrSbOGa1OhkSGNvPTtV0Hd wpNjYhS9BNo3H13ygANzw02W5F0YPaCOZrViw= Received: by 10.141.12.7 with SMTP id p7mr642089rvi.6.1270671918727; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.187.12 with SMTP id o12ls2748827rvp.0.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.31 with SMTP id g31mr1476305rvb.16.1270671915426; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.31 with SMTP id g31mr1476304rvb.16.1270671915393; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f50.google.com (mail-pw0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si3139311pzk.6.2010.04.07.13.25.14; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.50; Received: by mail-pw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 1so1457334pwj.23 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.154.21 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201004012357.49645.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:25:14 -0400 Received: by 10.143.84.8 with SMTP id m8mr3784583wfl.293.1270671914286; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] So what do we say for Swedish? (was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c758b1bbc58bfb2c Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Oren wrote: > right. i guess the code doesn't belong in a sumti place. > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 11:57, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> On Thursday 01 April 2010 21:35:38 Oren wrote: >>> > Lojban day-to-day: What do we say for Sweden and Swedish? >>> >>> sweden: { gugde la .sy .ebu } >>> swedish: { bangu la .sy .vy } >> >> Doesn't parse (try "gugde la me sy.ebu"). And are the people of Cyprus >> speakers of Welsh? >> >> Pierre I didn't see anyone comment on this (unless they did so in a different thread), but I don't think Oren understood what Pierre was saying. "gugde la sy .ebu" isn't grammatical, because "sy. ebu" is a pro-bridi. When you stick a "la" in front of it, that means "the one named ____ associated with SE". But since we don't have a cmevla or selbri following after, the blank is unfilled, and therefore fails grammatically. (An example might make this clearer: "gugde la sy .ebu gerku" means "(something is) a country inhabited by SE's Dog" (where "Dog" here is a name of someone/soemthing, not necessarily a dog, somehow associated with who-/whatever "SE" is standing in for). Pierre's objection had no objection to the place that "la sy ebu" was in (although you are correct Oren, that the place didn't make much sense). Pierre's corrected version was "a country those named "SE'ers" which makes more sense. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.