From 3N_S8SwgSBjQhbfemUbbTYWYjQbaYdWTec.ehWbeZRQdWeeWbUWhekfi.Sec@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 14:08:34 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3N_S8SwgSBjQhbfemUbbTYWYjQbaYdWTec.ehWbeZRQdWeeWbUWhekfi.Sec@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NzcU8-00046i-Sg for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:33 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf325209pvb.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=cIckDVR/Wx5VeM3SvZ/ttCd/16XtjC8XPd2Wg4nRxtg=; b=LTAffhbPpscKh0ouegLPHAAztKg3Iqgi6SBmfnEhrhObtnk8x2kI9m7pnRSzgWoHd5 LlHaRsAnM4hMzspRsYr1ZppUmpflt+rqE/zJ0c9Yf6ep32Mf7eUh+6rUsLAntv7Tcx+K 7Gh1/wivf6qaDTZOYrHiLSDq6ZqFHsE6zOawE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=cr1lomHtM4U5x2Z/usVIpg32UEFwX4kwrmw5lVcHUJdcbwTz2az+h2Q/CQ/TursGmO e3kzAhng8FyUBfLDSVBS8CX9ci9Uv+RXMLZapTg2S8oWYbQQNGx2DshySRhbN+3u4m8d dqXeCl0yr+2IU5jL7k46DI8dQ2AtTRHma13RQ= Received: by 10.143.27.30 with SMTP id e30mr371189wfj.15.1270674487715; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.23 with SMTP id 23ls1626645wfb.3.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.84.5 with SMTP id m5mr489870wfl.0.1270674482835; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.84.5 with SMTP id m5mr489869wfl.0.1270674482811; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si904450pzk.3.2010.04.07.14.08.02; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.8; Received: (qmail 21736 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2010 21:08:02 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Apr 2010 21:08:02 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NzcTg-00045o-Jr for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:08:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:08:00 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100407210800.GQ11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407202259.GM3000@nvg.org> <20100407205954.GF597@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100407205954.GF597@alice.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f4bc75561cefb170 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:59:54PM -0600, Alan Post wrote: > I've wondered, either through wording of the question Robin posed, > or from the frame established by the essay itself, whether there > is an environment here that has made it difficult to hold > another/the other position. Arnt was the primary person on the other side, from my POV; he helped me word the question (which, you'll notice, was phrased from his side). He expected there to be lots of people on his side; that was why we did the question in the first place. > I'm personally a bit surprised to have not heard more voices > across the "agree" spectrum. I can't conclude from that silence > that they aren't there, as it would be more likely they are > marginalized by the current atmosphere. > > I personally am interested in hearing more voices on the other > side(s) of this issue. So am I, but I haven't been able to find any. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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