From 3wvm8SwoJBsQttvvkwlsk2qwksv.mywvytlkxqyyqvoq1y4z2.myw@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 14:32:12 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3wvm8SwoJBsQttvvkwlsk2qwksv.mywvytlkxqyyqvoq1y4z2.myw@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzcr1-0005EM-KG for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:32:12 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf518672gwj.16 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D6dxRG07iWNOoohWR1PeXz6+OobzUkvdpWbz+SHj/1A=; b=BQ6pQOSWhD47Ku8jTN/lB8XweURp5Hm6aBXEHlVgBDLMahFJmc9xQp2ymMYOqLC8WV bV+Gbci1p1k4X4crvReuZYDqaM8MkjKcsYQZBpEZOLd0+yKRDx9VV4uZ2E4PRxXaX7mD fZQwVvZvcv/QzJMAcYD+5KZIGJaA18U+5Vlzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pteO/EIHXL5jszSD4XlntOLCIqT4Obt9sZy6b3cF9Dy/gnQsfzDpT0YDIPAmTnqi+m aysQlehWyWGHXYL+El8WAZwfluzOWLje3Fg1Da4dX4lSVjtg9fafdqG78y6U+/Ckd1F8 dKUMdzB9I/Nl80JuVqGHKLgAg2rEsxTspa3bA= Received: by 10.91.85.16 with SMTP id n16mr468781agl.32.1270675906278; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls2593207bkd.2.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr475813bkx.32.1270675902852; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr475812bkx.32.1270675902822; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.221.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v26si16000420bkt.3.2010.04.07.14.31.41; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.180; Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so1756461qyk.26 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.212 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100407175824.GC597@alice.local> <1BC48496-C941-4988-8B36-99CCFECD5BBF@gmail.com> <4BBCD257.6050105@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 18:31:39 -0300 Received: by 10.229.97.207 with SMTP id m15mr297389qcn.6.1270675899948; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Tangent the second: ASCII From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/d319d5cadc183c24 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b90b294d4a857095 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Craig Daniel wrote= : > > There's one place in non-spaceless text where you need stress: names. It depends what we understand by "need". "mu'a" and "mu'=E1" are the same word. You "need" the stress mark if for some reason you feel it's important to mark the valid non-standard pronunciation of that word. "cinri" and "ci,n,ri" are the same word. You "need" the comma if for some reason you feel it's important to mark the valid non-standard pronunciation of that word. "marian" and "mari,=E1n" are the same word. You "need" the stress mark and the comma if for some reason you feel it's important to mark the valid non-standard pronunciation of that word. Many people feel that valid non-standard pronunciations of cmevla are more worth marking than valid non-standard pronunciations of cmavo or brivla, possibly because of respect for the "owner" of the name. But then again, some names have brivla forms, so if someone liked to be called "la ci,n,ri" we would "need" the commas there too. And names can include cmavo, so if someone liked to be called "la mu'=E1 zei mu'=E1", we would "need" the stress mark for those cmavo too. I would say stress marks are never strictly "needed". they are just a provided convenience to indicate preferred pronunciations, just like the comma. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.