From 3DDW9SwQNBko1tym1tym.01564.z6x0vnmzs00sxqs30614.o0y@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Apr 07 18:45:10 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3DDW9SwQNBko1tym1tym.01564.z6x0vnmzs00sxqs30614.o0y@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzgnp-0000Qn-TW for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:45:10 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf44234qyk.1 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=MQWphF7H3OFCOmVkvKm/+rOFAAxKTH12wsEhsgm6qsw=; b=3ad+bu5G/QFgRnhip36WsIH5AQxsmgGAzVCA+CCw+1FXa1B3siQxDM7eSNFMjjQ5Ds 7dpXX9RbhlaxtwJdEUmyhWWRGAtY8ynyFxUJBzPwlMOs7NqQkpBtcyfZo+mtrbMRxABZ p7YqxS30xaoz+IIg7Uh2kY3cAdqi1Z/5DF8UI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=4OGL9rUhhHBofu21saCuNcGOaLcQTZZr9Eq5qJlGRsYodRf2FVxNdHnKVdh2uJlk7b t2oMP8K6M/T8IIGIcIHwwoZ2p8zG1NY2InoybgvYCkGlQItbu8OqHTzlrMaF0Knuyahk vtaOranAQBdZFZv7lGjobJQlSyy0ZJLLljTtg= Received: by 10.224.114.131 with SMTP id e3mr392558qaq.22.1270691084375; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.42.12 with SMTP id q12ls759638qae.0.p; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.201 with SMTP id i9mr980501qan.1.1270691081278; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.201 with SMTP id i9mr980500qan.1.1270691081147; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si1896641qyk.6.2010.04.07.18.44.40; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=r5GW/L+rpJDkoUyMFHVuPGHXTNK7nNi5xv48hhswsm4= c=1 sm=0 a=hTBXHiCJRPIA:10 a=jPJDawAOAc8A:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=gRwjeRmtmydhw6Zp1jIA:9 a=Xr7zG7q6rbSXZ2KQFNsA:7 a=zYtOMR-NrSB033FbU237AczDAtQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:52571] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 41/A9-02420-8053DBB4; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:44:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B44DC921 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] So what do we say for Swedish? (was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:44:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004072144.38973.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f4055be87a8d340e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 07 April 2010 16:25:14 Michael Turniansky wrote: > I didn't see anyone comment on this (unless they did so in a > different thread), but I don't think Oren understood what Pierre was > saying. "gugde la sy .ebu" isn't grammatical, because "sy. ebu" is a > pro-bridi. When you stick a "la" in front of it, that means "the one > named ____ associated with SE". But since we don't have a cmevla or > selbri following after, the blank is unfilled, and therefore fails > grammatically. (An example might make this clearer: "gugde la sy .ebu > gerku" means "(something is) a country inhabited by SE's Dog" (where > "Dog" here is a name of someone/soemthing, not necessarily a dog, > somehow associated with who-/whatever "SE" is standing in for). > > Pierre's objection had no objection to the place that "la sy ebu" > was in (although you are correct Oren, that the place didn't make much > sense). Pierre's corrected version was "a country those named > "SE'ers" which makes more sense. My other point is that it doesn't make sense to use "la me " for the people of a country or the speakers of a language, since "bangu la me cy.ybu" is Welsh and "gugde la me cy.ybu" is Cyprus, and the Cypriots generally don't speak Welsh, so what "la me cy.ybu" means when not preceded by one of those words is quite unclear. What kind of facilities should Greeks and Turks have? Cypriot but equal. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.