From 38vm9SwYKBvUilgYXYilgYXk.lodilgYXkdlldibdolrmp.Zlj@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 08 08:57:11 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <38vm9SwYKBvUilgYXYilgYXk.lodilgYXkdlldibdolrmp.Zlj@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzu6K-00081C-Dm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:57:10 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf1156945qyk.1 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:56:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VWtbEy1T1FTaZpda2MSPiVUJb8JBjlN3X6KAkGEmivI=; b=bdW2c4a4bKoEkt/DZ2WU2JnCY4B3WI6z6k1aOMa862y+I/n89FI5lNzqLA2vM9AkLB HiCDVL+DzvfylIZoQPe8u1kjPPomThZXRnl+ieerJTi+RZ0jjXWeBngceJQLcMLumqMY nS00GgONY8RydAGDYhpe+x/IXQXTl3Uee1NwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=g3RoSy7LdhV7XAVELW3HE8Rx8X2ldos/monhu5Bt6shaUYQkJSyrxODXatQGhONC0f 07RzM4to1urxGz18KPlEYA3tVzhppjxxdVLUgUgf3+67hVuTuW/XwGVgUInYCbbVtrJs Fcm9Sone9CaUQ106ZCrH7g8cxn6ufi3VSEeso= Received: by 10.224.10.167 with SMTP id p39mr12223qap.40.1270741490341; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.42.12 with SMTP id q12ls911981qae.0.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.79.218 with SMTP id q26mr32137qak.29.1270741488469; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr61544vcy.12.1270739402261; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr61543vcy.12.1270739402234; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si416807vws.4.2010.04.08.08.10.01; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.48; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100408151002.ITWF26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:10:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 33A11e0032hfrC6023A1li; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:10:01 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lL4dQe6A0XfTYzqIbzpq/h+TkgPEjAvcHnuEPneVQrQ= c=1 sm=1 a=fv5jMaMSooIA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=SFqYSUY5EYm-W701Kt0A:9 a=zZoqOBrhNPE6eHuLQdA6n5_DU50A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BBDF1B2.1030508@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:09:38 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Tangent the second: ASCII References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/d319d5cadc183c24 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/90cb38f4a0a9bcc0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Everson wrote: > On 7 Apr 2010, at 18:45, Christopher Doty wrote: >>I'm wondering how closely tied people are to the idea that, if a hypothet= ical thing happened where Lojban got, say, tone, it should stick with ASCII= -only characters? ASCII-only is part of the baselined language, and I am unsure of what=20 hypothetical conditions might arise that would lead to tone, but I won't=20 be around for it. > It already doesn't. People use the curly apostrophe for the > apostrophe; it is outside of ASCII. Specifications discuss > specifically the use of guillemets; these are outside of ASCII. > Specifications also discuss specifically the use of =E1 =E9 =ED =F3 =FA f= or > anomalous stress; these are outside of ASCII. Can you please cite where "specifications discuss" this. I'm not sure=20 what you are thinking of. The only specification that discusses orthography is CLL (chapter 3).=20 It specifies ASCII characters, and capitalization of an entire syllable=20 only for non-standard stress in Lojbanized names. There is no mention=20 of diacritics (except as how they might be described using lerfu) or=20 guillemets (I've never even seen the latter word before, except as the=20 surname of one line of my French ancestors). An alternate orthography is offered as part of the effort at=20 rapprochement with JCB's organization, and there is discussion of=20 Cyrillic and Tengwar as alternatives (but so far as I know, no one has=20 ever seriously considered using either of them). As for the "curly apostrophe". I have no idea what other people use, but=20 if it isn't on my keyboard, I probably will never use it, and indeed=20 have no idea HOW to use it. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.