From 3Pv29Sw8JBkUtpjohls.l2lyzvunthps.jvtsvqihunvvnslnyv1wz.jvt@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 08 08:59:20 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Pv29Sw8JBkUtpjohls.l2lyzvunthps.jvtsvqihunvvnslnyv1wz.jvt@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzu8R-00087g-HO for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:59:20 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf999287gwj.16 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:59:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/V0ITIJB0kx+rgnaaA9yDscLqjrxK+whKSht/jis/qA=; b=RUqrk7fFSq3Q2Hpb0i5cO7QXWvjzcO00h2H780X/OHbGiALgpWoTY0XGIKRKAxkNQ/ zN5GFTVLrrzr5sgVj9Ng0yOEgeTtu6dJs4PzUi5wm1fMKWeetdNTixag2VbahIdHLV0m 1sDPd2V2xRMgMUy0HBOOcMEgV0k7+M52DX3a4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NIsgpt4gdu4o5EvuTNo5Fix6FjAtC8ZGq55AjpT0vdoZRhbzQsF8gfpSihGwYeX51G AnyKP0IxNGmNuXZlq3+bG1zfy5uWWO9DxpCVA1+yRQbRUCXwkuXV/+E52LeNu6EUWKMs aP7FyaxEU0uEQLMQRZb9CciDoKbgIdNIaWAvA= Received: by 10.151.32.2 with SMTP id k2mr24413ybj.43.1270742334336; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.77 with SMTP id 13ls3021947bky.3.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.38.84 with SMTP id a20mr25933bke.23.1270742332780; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.38.84 with SMTP id a20mr25932bke.23.1270742332728; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f173.google.com (mail-wy0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v26si232100bkt.3.2010.04.08.08.58.51; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by mail-wy0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 20so54956wye.18 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.90.206 with SMTP id e56mr138248wef.167.1270742331065; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (murrisk2.westnet.ie [88.81.100.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm510392gvf.17.2010.04.08.08.58.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Subject: Re: [lojban] Tangent the second: ASCII From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <4BBDF1B2.1030508@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:58:48 +0100 Message-Id: <92086AEE-742B-4B70-8A23-B35F38566DE8@gmail.com> References: <4BBDF1B2.1030508@lojban.org> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/d319d5cadc183c24 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/77a2ebe82d8c445e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8 Apr 2010, at 16:09, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > It already doesn't. People use the curly apostrophe for the apostrophe; i= t is outside of ASCII. The curly apostrophe is used in the Alice PDF and in "What is Lojban?" pass= im. > Specifications discuss specifically the use of guillemets; these are outs= ide of ASCII. "What is Lojban?" p. 67. >> Specifications also discuss specifically the use of =E1 =E9 =ED =F3 =FA = for anomalous stress; these are outside of ASCII. I don't know if this is actually written down; it does not appear to be in = "What is Lojban?".=20 > The only specification that discusses orthography is CLL (chapter 3). It = specifies ASCII characters, and capitalization of an entire syllable only f= or non-standard stress in Lojbanized names. There is no mention of diacrit= ics (except as how they might be described using lerfu) or guillemets (I've= never even seen the latter word before, except as the surname of one line = of my French ancestors). "What is Lojban?" is a specification. > As for the "curly apostrophe". I have no idea what other people use, but = if it isn't on my keyboard, I probably will never use it, and indeed have n= o idea HOW to use it. Please look up "smart quotes"; I guarantee that software you use offers thi= s to you. Michael. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.