From 32Aa-SwgSBugbVZYgOVVNSQSdKVUSXQNYW.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 08 09:40:18 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f139.google.com ([209.85.222.139]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <32Aa-SwgSBugbVZYgOVVNSQSdKVUSXQNYW.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzum4-0002v3-VY for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:40:17 -0700 Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3sf638382pzk.28 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=FiyKGWLAwrrtW99JkyDe9iH09wtPDuDbkm4nR8IRL1k=; b=4E/DRfRgObtUAHrhz+HxywCW2EWmdNnqVbzIM1E1mylhE9CaCNzRUuW6e5zoB221U1 9JywfP0ZeMBOEkM6A6Iyh0V1SKKlnWOiM/mKdDxtAwp7feyzNXSAPlehoG5838uB2ZXR tSweSt2LeT1t7jz0Q8uobZOxWo5iJN1A0lnLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=lUFUyRGN1OwUYyxXbZ4tLQxxcTyic2BVyq7I0ayRUuSohc68Mjzu5LKxQN2zsIMIbJ R/LQH78sN10ywsyfM1lgIbWWTdJrUoRsvmEvniHVMy1K/q9YNeb7F4YK+IQWenWSpW+J 7Kg9x+rzpOBTvvVpTbkV7g0OAJaIebnE3f9Hk= Received: by 10.142.4.9 with SMTP id 9mr24813wfd.44.1270744792223; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.250.36 with SMTP id x36ls1864180wfh.2.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.248.39 with SMTP id v39mr68785wfh.26.1270744791174; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.248.39 with SMTP id v39mr68784wfh.26.1270744791141; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si43782pzk.13.2010.04.08.09.39.50; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.3; Received: (qmail 2919 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Apr 2010 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nzule-0002ry-Tq for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:39:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:39:46 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100408163946.GZ11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBC3CE4.6080803@lojban.org> <20100407180152.GI11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBDF980.30103@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4BBDF980.30103@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/49a1d8d0f7bf4116 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 11:42:56AM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > In your scenario, if the arguments were taking place solely in > Lojban, and decision to adopt was informal and applied only to > those who agreed to adopt it and they then used it, setting > examples for the rest of us to either emulate or ignore, then I > cannot imagine anything better. Whereas I think that's a horrible idea, and want to avoid it if at all possible. In-Lojban debates leading to BPFK decisions are what I want. As Arnt said in IRC, "Let One Flower Bloom!". (time to make ".a'o sai pa xurla cu tsali banro" t-shirts :) -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.