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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/4319e379ba49e00b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7f0b0ca575e048330bf9e --0016e6d7f0b0ca575e048330bf9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Michael Everson > wrote: > > On 29 Mar 2010, at 21:08, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Michael Everson > >> > > > > > Defined by whom? For what purpose? What actual *utility* is there is not > being able to identify structures at a glance? What *benefit* is there to > "la alis" over "la Alis"? Since the spec outlines the potential use of > quotation marks and exclamation and question marks (which it DOES) why does > an exploration of the application of traditional Latin typography attract so > much grumbling? Did you know that Loglan cases, by the way? > > > > I am, indeed. I learned Loglan back in 1975. Nor would I mind > cases in lojban, except for the fact that it explicitly defines > exactly what capitals are to be used fro when using the Latin alphabet > system, and what they mean. Had it not specified it (like it doesn't > do with parentheses, quotation marks, digits, etc.) I might be more > flexible on that point. > --gejyspa > Funnily enough, the grumbling has been more against the use of capitalization then about any other issue, to my recollection. While some portion of us would be mildly peeved about using punctuation, such as myself, I don't think anyone is nearly so vehement about that as to the issue with capitalization- probably because of what capitalization means in Lojban. For myself, if you were to publish the book with all the {denpa bu} in their spots, and all in lower-case, I wouldn't mind the mildly annoying punctuation enough to cause me to not purchase it. The capitalization would. The lack of {denpa bu} almost would, but I do have a pen, dots are easy to draw in. ;) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6d7f0b0ca575e048330bf9e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:58 AM,= Michael Everson
<michael.= everson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2010, at 21:08, Mi= chael Turniansky wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:11 PM= , Michael Everson
>>

>
> Defined by whom? For what purpose? What actual= *utility* is there is not being able to identify structures at a glance? W= hat *benefit* is there to "la alis" over "la Alis"? Sin= ce the spec outlines the potential use of quotation marks and exclamation a= nd question marks (which it DOES) why does an exploration of the applicatio= n of traditional Latin typography attract so much grumbling? Did you know t= hat Loglan cases, by the way?
>

=A0I am, indeed. =A0I learned Loglan back in 1975. =A0Nor would= I mind
cases in lojban, except for the fact that it explicitly defines<= br>exactly what capitals are to be used fro when using the Latin alphabet system, and what they mean. =A0Had it not specified it (like it doesn't=
do with parentheses, quotation marks, digits, etc.) I might be more
= flexible on that point.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
=A0
Funnily enough, the grumbling has been more against the use of capital= ization then about any other issue, to my recollection. While=A0some portio= n=A0of us would be mildly peeved about using punctuation, such as myself, I= don't think anyone is nearly so vehement about that as to the issue wi= th capitalization- probably because of what capitalization means in Lojban.=
=A0
For myself, if you were to publish the book with all the {denpa bu} in= their spots, and all in lower-case, I wouldn't mind the mildly annoyin= g punctuation enough to cause me to not purchase it. The capitalization wou= ld. The lack of {denpa bu} almost would, but I do have a pen, dots are easy= to draw in. ;)
=A0

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