From 3Rge-SwYKBlcAD80z0AD80zC.DG5AD80zC5DD5A35GDJEH.1DB@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 08 09:42:08 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Rge-SwYKBlcAD80z0AD80zC.DG5AD80zC5DD5A35GDJEH.1DB@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzunr-00032u-T1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:42:08 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf1215757qyk.1 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=KTTbKPxPMGKxBw6Ee4XjTmTGB3tB4NX2tjybqw7f8zk=; b=S4ki2p+Hfctlt//j9k9cBWlFKFuAGtdjp5h+kz1E1PBZn62VoD82xiKHV1uV1MoqBl NI+SQa+uAYkX8zJJziUE5O3blB0tBI1FpEfxMYoSiAoktk0AYKEXjOWA29JmhfvNl0aa kkPcn2U7TMez+Z1fetNll3P37L39XqGOMJL78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=089Kl6xg9egR4K0jYAMtfJQD2Wa/ojU1qTr8fEvtdo/FwlDrBH/pCjQPJzYY6UGZF6 GJuyaFA0ovPx3myjZAOAgLqinJA87HhQaLg89381d2yzCbC8ddhlWvAUPkLo+CcEUVQ3 jKDBJqnIGkNo1TpjrYi7LBlE5cyZTNVEQNrCE= Received: by 10.224.112.3 with SMTP id u3mr16578qap.28.1270744902349; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.38.138 with SMTP id b10ls2061098qae.4.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.35.21 with SMTP id n21mr41367qad.0.1270744900808; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr94644vcy.2.1270743915953; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr94643vcy.2.1270743915928; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si576035vws.4.2010.04.08.09.25.15; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.48; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100408162515.KQRX26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:25:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 34RF1e0082hfrC6024RFvp; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:25:15 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=u9aaE4Pfr0xy9UvPxuh9qFR1i2SV5RyaXjJQawTgqeY= c=1 sm=1 a=Jk7DClovP2YA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=pfCMydc8MjQdG05K6LIA:9 a=6B86GrDfu6Aja_cC8KDXnCnziR8A:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BBE0353.6020002@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:24:51 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407202259.GM3000@nvg.org> <20100407205925.GP11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBD1C23.9020600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4BBD1C23.9020600@gmail.com> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/cd50feb3b8f14b50 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And Rosta wrote: > One can imagine certain sensible rules of thumb applying, such as "If a > given improvement would result in nontrivial amounts of relearning, then > it is appropriate for Logban3 but not for Lojban". (Better change that > to "If a given improvement would result in nontrivial amounts of > relearning, then it is appropriate for Logban3 but not for Lojban, > *unless it is a fix for something that is broken*" -- I'm thinking of > the pre-xorlo gadri system, the extraordinarily intense attempts to fix > which led to the establishment of the BPFK and its completely > irreconcilable various goals. !!!??? The gadri system had absolutely nothing to do with the establishment of the byfy. It never even entered my mind. The attempts to deal with gadri were primarily undertaken by the byfy under Nick's leadership, and I cannot fault his efforts at leadership on that issue. It was my failure to get a revised cmavo list (compatible with CLL) and the ensuing dictionary done despite many promises over many years that made byfy necessary. The job needed to be delegated out of my hands to a committee, while preserving all the good aspects that my prior role (which was too much akin to benevolent dictator before Cowan, and was at risk of becoming so again when he indicated burnout after CLL was done). lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.