From 3Rwe-SwYKBlgBE9101BE910D.EH6BE910D6EE6B46HEKFI.2EC@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 08 09:42:11 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Rwe-SwYKBlgBE9101BE910D.EH6BE910D6EE6B46HEKFI.2EC@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzunt-00032w-Ei for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:42:10 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf1215771qyk.1 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=YhIVCLL9jkAcoOvbuK+F4zq4btK7x0gu8xesFg8lfG4=; b=GVknSsR/nsLSbAhuwGp4CZIythpBe324MskKb5RvaJOIngYESdr+KyoT9JD3UuT40g f4CHe5msACvcu4Vb3aozlbKHeFUO0HExmz8+i1VZneMY2otZgBvacrMP8PT8W+lcUT9J 3ZqAYT9xgv04z+LkM13oKjvGZtzyjYkjJBOe4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1eoe9BodODkPn5OgqMA30USf8pR01vOH/cOgN0AJh6oBS3gG5keMVe3VveUzTsjOtu 1phQ0cTw5lbDWwpY3L6p2CtpYumUF9VY7Q7dKP74OrhkN61ctqJnisjPp91/4g0xsikd zniTQgE+zPY5jJeVpJvCIfXGkdGbwqdFmlZnM= Received: by 10.224.50.68 with SMTP id y4mr17750qaf.39.1270744903838; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.16.78 with SMTP id n14ls205123qaa.1.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.56.195 with SMTP id z3mr39458qag.18.1270744900090; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.208 with SMTP id v16mr87967vcy.17.1270743318418; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.208 with SMTP id v16mr87966vcy.17.1270743318392; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si556076vws.5.2010.04.08.09.15.18; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.59 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.59; Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100408161518.LBWD23683.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:15:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 34FH1e00A2hfrC6024FHPq; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:15:17 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=garkv6WxUlWCZxlYffz6yNGlDVHTZyAXTUdcTJEJ4sc= c=1 sm=1 a=Jk7DClovP2YA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=Gc7Wh7f8eCBJh2sPks8A:9 a=c4LKj9Iya7qzlmQbNsozBVSYshgA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BBE00FE.2070206@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:14:54 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407202259.GM3000@nvg.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.59 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/6b7f52577771ac88 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Matt Arnold wrote: > Our humble proposition is merely "more than zero change". Do not > conflate that with "zero stability". There is a spectrum. What, in the proposal, promises anything other than zero stability, or limits the amount or degree of change? I see nothing that does either. > The LLG is tasked with solving problems that Lojban *users*-- such as > me-- often don't even realize exist. byfy, I presume. > I've studied Lojban for years, > and the proposed changes I have heard are so obscure that I have never > learned the things that I would have to un-learn. That is because the existing policy was designed with that in mind. Robin's proposal has backwards compatibility and un-learning at the bottom of the priority list, coming into play ONLY with all of the other three priorities indecisive. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.