From 3Rxm-SwgSBmoZTXWeMTTLQOQbITSQVOLWU.WZOTWRJIVOWWOTMOZWcXa.KWU@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 08 10:59:00 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Rxm-SwgSBmoZTXWeMTTLQOQbITSQVOLWU.WZOTWRJIVOWWOTMOZWcXa.KWU@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nzw0F-0000YU-4G for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:59:00 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf620752pvb.16 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=EVRm+olG2LykKNf3SfRWg5BhoqlsmHWMr4EXLRj17yw=; b=N7vqC0AdkZVqpVmhcKQL08Ik2vb3rTjklm5LAuOtnUQi2BOhNYBbx5hdcI8EBf9jU1 KGu5BalEwkPyc9s5Bi6fiGpSZkTFwjZ20+MVA+NLAPbDZKmCPAKV9LAaje/vgUB9O6yf /+22bI4L9ds92UCh/GbNUwWmx+3CpJCjWlGq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=jsC4UqxZlCbaoUCqplhthaRDceIOda9utnJjJXRqNCrGmGCxwIuVgrg/6acxj1DaIY chZQRhrfhpQOKd3ccZ+3ri/0N0/0eR8Dd0ihglmQA994iTTVlB73MVltv74HfSxkBrWR T5s58ytvtnFaFuQzPr/lS7ARDJhtq8ihIRlmY= Received: by 10.141.131.19 with SMTP id i19mr58823rvn.28.1270749511571; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.22 with SMTP id q22ls3186050rvp.1.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr85702rvl.28.1270749509848; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr85698rvl.28.1270749509775; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si55593pzk.8.2010.04.08.10.58.29; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.4; Received: (qmail 13801 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 17:58:29 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Apr 2010 17:58:29 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nzvzo-0000Wa-36 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:58:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:58:28 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100408175827.GG11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100407202259.GM3000@nvg.org> <20100407205925.GP11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBDFFC8.9090902@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4BBDFFC8.9090902@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3540091c3322f733 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 12:09:44PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >I'm proposing setting a group of experienced Lojbanists with the > >task of making these sorts of decisions; if you're worried, join > >up and help. > > Your proposal doesn't say that. It says: > > >The BPFK should be open to anyone who is seriously working on > >learning the language I don't see a particularily significant difference in practice, and neither of these are my *actual* formal proposal. > That includes newbies who want to learn the language, but haven't > actually gotten the experience. Yep. And if such people outnumber the oldbies on the BPFK (which is staggeringly unlikely, since the BPFK is going to be boring as hell most of the time), then things might get a bit weird. I'm not actually worried about it, though. > And it could include people whose motivation for learning the > language is rather heavily oriented towards the "unlike other > languages" goal. Sure could. Are they not part of the community? > >As far as I'm aware, no-one is proposing the sorts of things > >you're worried about. > > Shall Lojban become officially hexadecimal, anyone? %^( > > guaspi exists and was invented by someone who qualified for the > byfy under your proposal at the time. Doesn't bother me in the slightest; that's only one person. The BPFK is currently stacked with people with massive amounts of Lojban experience; it is up to them where it goes from here. I further note that almost none of the current BPFK members have done any actual *work*. If the only people willing to get anything done are newbs, then newbs will define the language, and you (and all the other people on the BPFK who have done nothing) will have only yourselves to blame. In practice, though, I'm really not worried about that sort of issue at all. The BPFK is full of real Lojban users who really don't want to have their current knowledge screwed over, and I have no intention of making it very easy to pass things in the BPFK. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.